Clay shooting - The future

[shootinguru]

:crazy:  When is this going to get back onto the  Clay Shooting  the future? :hi:  

 

[ips]

I think we have had it with that now pal. Les john and I attempted to get into deep analisis but we got slated so we have spat our dummies out now

 

[Salopian]

Shootinguru,

 I think the future may be far more straw balers for everyone?

 

[ips]

Yep, been saying that for a few years now. The amount of grounds that have closed recently kind of back the theory up.

 

[40UP]

Just thought about the classification cut off points,

OT            A class +86.6% D class -77.7%

OSK         A class +89.9% D class -71.5%

FITASC    A class +84.4% D class -70.7%

DT           A class +76.6% D class -51.2%

DT could be distorted by how few shoot it, certinly how few get the opertunity to shoot and practice it to a high level. I would say OT is certinly not the 'hardest' clay discipline to shoot...

Don't you think the above would be different if the other disciplines than OT were allowed two shots per target? [don't split hairs on fitasc] The reason that OT is the hardest is that it has 15 different speeds where ABT has one and OT has 20% central targets where ABT has 33%

 

[jwpzx9r]

Like a terrier he goes at it again

40UP I think this has been my drift all along. I think that because of the ABT single central trap and the shooter moving in front of that trap the chance exists for a shooter to get targets that are not actually traversing with respect to the shooter when the shot is made. The target is rising and straight after the gun is brought onto the target whereas a left or right target is always traversing with respect to the shooter in OT. That is my take on it anyway. I have only just started ABT but, after shooting OT, I thought right off that I got a lot of targets that were in effect straight in ABT. Or am I talking out of my wotsit again I also think that because of the nature of the beast there is a chance a shooter may get more left to right targets in a round than the other way about compared to another shooter on the squad. That does not make it necessarily easier or indeed harder but if you take into account orientation of gun mount it does make it less fair in comparison to OT which is equally split right and left.

 

[40UP]

You've got it John - there are only five straight targets in a round of OT. Now try remembering the first four targets on each OT stand so that you know your last five targets.

Thank you moderators for letting the trappers drift off again - they're in a world of their own.  reved:

 

[jwpzx9r]

40UP

I was thinking the other day do the really good shots do this? I know they are great shots so maybe they can devote half the thought process to remember  what they have already done. Me !!! What day is this again its... Mon...Tues...  no that's right Monday because I had a fried breakfast yesterday! I likened it to a chess player thinking out his moves, sorry I don't think I would ever make a OT shooter if that is what is required. Do they get some sort of coded signals from their coaches ? It has been a great debate on this thread I am sure Ian and Les have enjoyed it too! Only one more day this season to enjoy the torment of it all Booo !

 

[ips]

Oh yes. Been fun even the bits the monkeys have donated. ..

John

yes some do count apparently but like you i haven't the mind set to do it, also personally i do not think it is always beneficial to know what's coming particularly if you get it wrong and look a Pratt when you swing wildly the wrong way

 

[40UP]

I first noticed Ian Peel speeding up on his last five targets - sometimes you would know more than the last five. It is the same as believing the best poker players know where all the cards are in the deck.

 

[40UP]

An illustration of competency in the best shooters - long ago before electronics Olympic Trap existed in its fair distribution of targets but the trap in each bank was selected by a trapper in the trench who had the 25 target distribution for each shooter on paper as in RRLCL...on and on. One of our greatest JR Braithwaite could watch several targets and drop on where in the sequence of 150 targets it was. I believe he has said he was so far ahead of the last of his 200 Olympic Games targets that it disappeared on the spot.

 

[jwpzx9r]

The only way I would know was on a no bird, very often you can see the way it was going so you know that its the same again, it does allow you to concentrate on that one direction even if not the trajectory. I strangely find the OT targets more acceptable because I can treat them all as peg 3 in ABT for gun hold, for me just above the fosse and right of centre. In fact if I could I would only shoot OT second to that would be UT then ABT, but that is purely my preference nothing to do with degree of difficulty! For me OT is sort of compulsive, but there is a very definite enjoyment and desire to do it. I find I have just finished a round and I want to start another... Oh dear! Probably because I made a hash of the round just finished

 

[ips]

My preference is abt ot Ut

 

[40UP]

In my profile you'll see I write the same sequence of interests OT,UT, ABT. The targets in Olympic Trap cross over just above the mark, in UT they cross widely above the mark, in ABT they come out all over the place. OT in general is the least forgiving for older shooters, eyesight gradually bringing them to a sad end.

 

[Santa2512]

Assuming that the distribution of clays meets a constant, and the person shooting can count the clays so to speak,  after a certain time its becomes known where the birds are going to be.

As people have said, its a bit like card counting, once the pattern is known then its just recall

The difference is that  to know & remember the total amount of patterns is staggering 

Mart

 

[jwpzx9r]

My long sight is good just now but as we get older for some anyway it goes slowly for others much quicker and sometimes complicated with cataracts and what not.  

 

[40UP]

Peripheral vision in the half second used to locate the target seems the main factor.

 

[ips]

One would have thought that logically the fact that ot targets cross at a relatively low and relatively narrow field that ot would be more forgiving than the wide Ut and abt targets ? I find Ut the hardest as far as target acquisition is concerned unless i do Ut solely for a while.

 

[jwpzx9r]

This is a good time to ask a question ! I am new to the games and my approach to them is different mostly in terms of gun hold. But 40UP makes a point which I have pondered. It is very important to see the target properly before moving the gun, or I will say I get my best results by adopting this method. I try not to do it but I find myself when shooting OT because of the speed of the target and the fact that left and right targets always traverse I sort of chase the target if you know what I mean? I think what I am saying is I move my gun a little bit earlier than I do at UT and ABT is this a bad thing to do? Think I know the answer to this but I continue to do it

 

[40UP]

High speed camera systems which allow frame counting show that the best shots move later than the average shot but faster. So they do appear to get a better fix on the target.