Mel Sykes in the Sunday Express today

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not about shooting hopes, just a bit of publicity, the fact it went a bit wrong does not detract from the fact the sport needs a higher profile and celebs in the absense of anything else can provide such. Eric Clapton is very involved in the sport on the game side he did more drugs than the Colombian cartels could produce !! no one objects to his involvement

 
so a celeb has gone a bit off on one! so what? there are plenty of celebs around who may be interested in the future are we going to label them all as BAD ??
I suspect not; but then again, not every other celeb is touting themselves as 1) aiming to shoot for Team GB in the Rio 2016 Games, or 2) with that aim in mind, conducting themselves in a manner, in all likelihood, resulting in them having their SGC taken off them as a result of their inability to keep their temper in check before handing down a domestic beating to their spouse.

There are, if the tabloids are to be believed, myriad celebs, minor or otherwise, who lose it and get arresting for not being able to keep their s h i t in one sock, but then again, I suspect the majority of those same celebs are not in possession of a SGC - without which, they'd all struggle to shoot a shotgun outside the precincts of the local straw-baler 'have-a-go' day.

 
I suspect not; but then again, not every other celeb is touting themselves as 1) aiming to shoot for Team GB in the Rio 2016 Games, or 2) with that aim in mind, conducting themselves in a manner, in all likelihood, resulting in them having their SGC taken off them as a result of their inability to keep their temper in check before handing down a domestic beating to their spouse.

There are, if the tabloids are to be believed, myriad celebs, minor or otherwise, who lose it and get arresting for not being able to keep their s h i t in one sock, but then again, I suspect the majority of those same celebs are not in possession of a SGC - without which, they'd all struggle to shoot a shotgun outside the precincts of the local straw-baler 'have-a-go' day.
Agreed but that should not preclude our sport from embracing them at the outset, one cannot second guess or legislate for human nature we have bad apples within the sport any way, perhaps a cull of these might also enhance our image out there?? who knows

 
not about shooting hopes, just a bit of publicity, the fact it went a bit wrong does not detract from the fact the sport needs a higher profile and celebs in the absense of anything else can provide such. Eric Clapton is very involved in the sport on the game side he did more drugs than the Colombian cartels could produce !! no one objects to his involvement
You're right insofar as this was - if we're all being honest - just about publicity, for everyone involved, not just Mel: the issue is what type of publicity does the sport need or seek to attract - and I'll wager D-list daytime TV models wasn't/isn't the way to go to get it.

There is a world of difference between merely wanting to do something [in this case shooting, and then shooting for your country, and certainly when you've no intention of putting in the hard yards required to do same, because your daily diary - your day job - prevents you from doing so] and having practical ability to do it.

As to your point about, "the sport needs a higher profile and celebs in the absence of anything else can provide such..." - sorry, but in this rush to have any celeb thrown into the mix in order to promote the sport - as we can see - without the necessary vetting, this can have the nasty habit of coming back to bite shooting squarely on the arse. As for Clapton: he's more money than God and shoots - game - merely for pleasure, and not in some fondant misguided hope that he'll represent his country at the Olympics. Neither, to the best of my knowledge, has he ever committed an arrestable offence which might see him have his SGC removed from him, so the parallel is a false one.

 
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Agreed but that should not preclude our sport from embracing them at the outset, one cannot second guess or legislate for human nature we have bad apples within the sport any way, perhaps a cull of these might also enhance our image out there?? who knows
Again, agree that one cannot legislate for fcukwittage or the human condition: after all, to err is human and we can only mop-up later after the fact. But my point has never been about that - rather that, whilst people here might have wished her well in her shooting endeavours (and this thread is thick with comments of that nature), the practical and realistic likelihood of Mel ever stepping up the oche to represent Team GB in any discipline outside of "Once Having Looked Splendid in a Bikini" were remote to non-existent. It's never been, for me at least, about 'I told you so'; rather that, whilst wishing her well, there never was any realistic hope of her donning a Team GB vest at Olympic level shooting.

 
Again, agree that one cannot legislate for fcukwittage or the human condition: after all, to err is human and we can only mop-up later after the fact. But my point has never been about that - rather that, whilst people here might have wished her well in her shooting endeavours (and this thread is thick with comments of that nature), the practical and realistic likelihood of Mel ever stepping up the oche to represent Team GB in any discipline outside of "Once Having Looked Splendid in a Bikini" were remote to non-existent. It's never been, for me at least, about 'I told you so'; rather that, whilst wishing her well, there never was any realistic hope of her donning a Team GB vest at Olympic level shooting.
I completely agree, but had she not gone off the rails the publicity would have been something we could have used, the Rio item was just window dressing as far as most people in the know were concerned

 
I am one of the 'told you so' people.  How many people do you think have taken up Clay Shooting due to Ms Sykes and how many due to real achievers such as Peter Wilson, Richard Faults etc?  I would bet a hefty amount that the later would win by miles.  As I have stated before I would have much preferred that my money (spent buying products from her sponsors) was spent on up an coming talent who have a potential to win and bring real publicity to the sport.

 
I am one of the 'told you so' people.  How many people do you think have taken up Clay Shooting due to Ms Sykes and how many due to real achievers such as Peter Wilson, Richard Faults etc?  I would bet a hefty amount that the later would win by miles.  As I have stated before I would have much preferred that my money (spent buying products from her sponsors) was spent on up an coming talent who have a potential to win and bring real publicity to the sport.
Unfortunately the oxygen of free tabloid  publicity is not  generated by the likes of Faulds, Wilson et al, and we do need publicity allbeit postive, just unfortunate she went off the rails. 

 
Unfortunately the oxygen of free tabloid  publicity is not  generated by the likes of Faulds, Wilson et al, and we do need publicity allbeit postive, just unfortunate she went off the rails. 
Without trying to come across as snobbish - I don't think the tabloid press would attract many new shooters anyway.  Gold medals get plenty of press, if we are successful and regularly get plenty of these then the sport will expand.  Look at cycling - you cannot move on the roads nowadays with all the MAMIL's, that all came because of success on the track and on the road.

 
Without trying to come across as snobbish - I don't think the tabloid press would attract many new shooters anyway.  Gold medals get plenty of press, if we are successful and regularly get plenty of these then the sport will expand.  Look at cycling - you cannot move on the roads nowadays with all the MAMIL's, that all came because of success on the track and on the road.
We are right now probably the most succesful clay shooting nation in the world, you are saying that only gold medal podium achievements will ensure we get the publicity we need. Well we have had such and the publicity has been short lived to say the least, cycling is not a credible comparison for two prime reasons one it is absolutely riddled with drug abuse and two the sport is not perceived by the public as dangerous or glorifying violence as our sport is regularly accused, nor is cycling at constant odds with the ill informed people of this country as regards " the slaughter" of innocent animals i.e. game in general which is inextricably tied up with clay shooting

 
If we take the Olympic results (as that is all the public really care about) we are not the best in the world.  I strongly believe in the power of results.  Results will drive coverage and publicity and hence participation.  Coverage and publicity will help educate the population too.  However I also firmly believe that Clay Shooting will always be a minority sport.

 
Wow, 13 pages about Mel Sykes in the Sunday Express. Not a single thread about RF or PW has ever made that number of pages. As for which person would attract more to the sport, that's easy. Mel Skyes would, why? Simple, RF and PW's media appeal is limited, very limited. Mel Skyes media appeal is huge, that's why she has a day time TV program. Will she make the GB Team for Rio, probably not, should we all tell her she doesn't have a snowballs chance, probably not.

Anyone that takes up shooting and manages to get any press coverage is helping (unless of course they have gone rogue and shot half the street dead!). Why are we all so fecking quick to criticise?

 
Wow, 13 pages about Mel Sykes in the Sunday Express. Not a single thread about RF or PW has ever made that number of pages. As for which person would attract more to the sport, that's easy. Mel Skyes would, why? Simple, RF and PW's media appeal is limited, very limited. Mel Skyes media appeal is huge, that's why she has a day time TV program. Will she make the GB Team for Rio, probably not, should we all tell her she doesn't have a snowballs chance, probably not.

Anyone that takes up shooting and manages to get any press coverage is helping (unless of course they have gone rogue and shot half the street dead!). Why are we all so fecking quick to criticise?
AGREE with you but there is a small matter of her assaulting her toyboy hubby which made the headlines, which makes her profile in the shooting community a tad unfortunate

 
Well she got a caution and her toyboy should grow a pair and man up quite frankly. BEFORE this she had received a lot of press in relation to her shooting and ambition to make the GB Team.

 
Wow, 13 pages about Mel Sykes in the Sunday Express .... should we all tell her she doesn't have a snowballs chance, probably not.

Why are we all so fecking quick to criticise?
With comments like this, I suspect you've not read the thread in its entirety. Who here, or anywhere else, for that matter, has ever suggested telling her she's no chance? No one, to my knowledge.

This is a forum, last time I looked, where aspects of shooting are discussed - and as you yourself point out, anyone getting involved in the promotion of shooting is liable to be discussed here in that vein; added to which, she wouldn't be the first person to attract publicity for doing so (good or bad).

In this respect, Mel took up those cudgels of publicity and, alas, it has not gone the way she might have hoped - you cannot, therefore, reasonably expect people just to ignore negative press surrounding someone in the shooting world when this is, when all is said and done, a shooting forum. And if that means criticism (good or bad), then, sorry, it goes with the territory.

 
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I would get involved with this thread again, but I will just +1 everything lock stock says as so far ithas been spot on imo.

 

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