Fred Williams Hammer 10 Bore

Hi all

Just wondered if anyone could tell me anything about this gun ?

I have had it a year or so and shot it a few times but don’t really know a great deal about it. Any information would be appreciated .

If anyone could shine a light on its age and potential value it would be appreciated.

You can find what they mean on the web as I did - do not take my word for any of these:-

crown over NP mark tell you that the gun has passed nitro proof
crown over BV mark is the View mark - incomplete guns viewed to check no faults prior to further work
crown over BP mark is the definitive proof mark for a completed gun
1st proof
Diamond 10 = 10 Gauge
Diamond L - possibly - indicates a chamber length more than 3 inches. You need to read that along with other marks
Diamond C indicates a degree of choke
1 1/2 might be the maximum shot load in oz

Martinj said:

You can find what they mean on the web as I did - do not take my word for any of these:-

crown over NP mark tell you that the gun has passed nitro proof
crown over BV mark is the View mark - incomplete guns viewed to check no faults prior to further work
crown over BP mark is the definitive proof mark for a completed gun
View attachment 10683 1st proof
Diamond 10 = 10 Gauge
Diamond L - possibly - indicates a chamber length more than 3 inches. You need to read that along with other marks
Diamond C indicates a degree of choke
1 1/2 might be the maximum shot load in oz

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Ah I seei had been looking but I couldn’t find anything about the diamond with the 10 and LC in. Is there anyway of ascertaining age?

https://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm

The M next to the 11 on the RH barrel in the photo could indicate 1921 if proofed in Birmingham 1961 if proofed in London (the proof markings look to me as if they are from Birmingham - so 1921?)

Martinj said:

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https://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm

The M next to the 11 on the RH barrel in the photo could indicate 1921 if proofed in Birmingham 1961 if proofed in London (the proof markings look to me as if they are from Birmingham - so 1921?)

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So it’s been around a while obviously I don’t shoot it much but when I do it turns some heads

Could be interesting doing a 100 bird sporting or a few rounds of skeet

Martinj said:

Could be interesting doing a 100 bird sporting or a few rounds of skeet

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Certainly would be. To be honest I do take it clay shooting I load up some 24g Clay loads for it, save stressing it out too much although I’m sure it’s capable of a lot more than that . Normally I like to take it to places I haven’t been before turn some heads haha .

Yorkshire Clay Shooting said:

Certainly would be. To be honest I do take it clay shooting I load up some 24g Clay loads for it, save stressing it out too much although I’m sure it’s capable of a lot more than that . Normally I like to take it to places I haven’t been before turn some heads haha .

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You could go to 1 1/2 oz or 42g. That would raise a few eyebrows.

Paul120 said:

You could go to 1 1/2 oz or 42g. That would raise a few eyebrows.

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It certainly would but as a Yorkshire man I’m not sure I could throw that much lead at a clay

Yorkshire Clay Shooting said:

It certainly would but as a Yorkshire man I’m not sure I could throw that much lead at a clay

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I was in a pub when a Yorkshire man dropped a pound at the bar.
As he bent down to pick it up and it hit him on the back of the head.

Paul120 said:

I was in a pub when a Yorkshire man dropped a pound at the bar.
As he bent down to pick it up and it hit him on the back of the head.

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I would bloody believe it too we shoot with a bloke at our local club very much of the same vein. It’s a round of 25 so Mathematics dictates there has to be a stand with 3 singles. On this stand me and a few others in our “group” will shoot twice at a single target if we miss or if I’m feeling extra George Digweed and there’s a large piece left over we double tap one clay. He gets beside himself “waste of lead” and “more money than sense” is the usual claims from the sidelines. Along with claims of a bad back and “did I hit that” when he is in the stand. Wouldn’t change him though…….. honest