Coaching during a competition

[Lee Roberts]

It appears to me that the person who is most vociferous against any form of coaching/advice/tips doesn't shoot ESP, which is really what this thread is about.....

 
So to have an opinion you have to shoot the discipline ? Sorry I will cease posting immediately

Before you stop posting I will send you a shovel ............


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[Will Hewland]

Trappie comments on what are obviously sporting issues are just superfluous nonsense..

 

[Jay]

So what you are saying is if you were placed down the order in a competition by someone you know is cheating you simply say well done him and trip off home happy that you came fourth sticking by the rules and he/she took a place through underhanded cheating !

People may benefit from cheating in the short term (over a stand or a round), but over the course of a competition one way or another they usually finish up where they belong. If it happens then consider it part of the game and make sure you shoot a higher score maybe that'll make the win for you so much sweeter.

If not there's always another shoot.

 

[Macc Ladd]

Talking about "cilly stunts"

 

[Nick Selby]

So to have an opinion you have to shoot the discipline ? Sorry I will cease posting immediately

I'm not saying you can't comment but if you spent some time shooting ESP then you would realise that it is a largely unenforcable rule (coaching outside of the cage) and you would see a lot of newbies getting tips/hints etc when shooting reg. it seems like the vast majority of ESP shooters do not see encouraging newbies as a problem. I've not shot many comps but from my experience, it is mainly newbies/juniors that get any 'help' not the ones in with a chance of glory.....

 

[Lee Roberts]

So to have an opinion you have to shoot the discipline ? Sorry I will cease posting immediately I'm not saying you can't comment but if you spent some time shooting ESP then you would realise that it is a largely unenforcable rule (coaching outside of the cage) and you would see a lot of newbies getting tips/hints etc when shooting reg. it seems like the vast majority of ESP shooters do not see encouraging newbies as a problem. I've not shot many comps but from my experience, it is mainly newbies/juniors that get any 'help' not the ones in with a chance of glory.....

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[Jay]

Trappie comments on what are obviously sporting issues are just superfluous nonsense..

Bit of a divisive comment. I and most 'trappies' I know have shot everything and can shoot a good round of ESP if we wanted to. :hunter:   We know how it works, and the 'issues' are cross cutting of all disciplines.

 

[Will Hewland]

Bit of a divisive comment. I and most 'trappies' I know have shot everything and can shoot a good round of ESP if we wanted to. :hunter: We know how it works, and the 'issues' are cross cutting of all disciplines.

Fair enough. I should perhaps have said 'solely dedicated trappie'. Comment upon that which you can comment knowledgeably. But sometimes it can just be a silly session from an incorrect perspective; assisting nobody..

 

[Jay]

Fair enough. Comment upon that which you can comment knowledgeably. But sometimes it can just be a silly session..

Yeah I know what you mean, it's getting that way, I'm popping smoke and left flanking out!

 

[chippy]

Well its now 12 pages and after a swerve into the 2nd world war history and motoring offenses and a few 4 letter words it looks like we are back on safe ground. Trap shooters v sporting shooters. I love it.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

So back on track.....rule are rules.......but as everyone knows (even from school) the daft ones get broken.

So I thank all the refs and other shooters who use common sense and who go up to the cage and give a word of advice to a struggling shooter or a youngster....when they are blanking the card and looking terrified, embarrassed or wishing it was all over (a feeling that I have felt before in the early days) .....you have made a sensible decision that might just stop that person going home and saying sod it....not doing that again.

This is totally different to serious competition shooters having help if they are in the pot.

This is totally different to 'unwanted' advice to women or others who are shooting happily, and did not ask for it.

The sensible people who know this discipline know exactly what we have all been talking about and a lot seem to agree with the various points put across....some don't...and that is fine.....it is between you and your God as they say. You will not alter each other.

Thank you to people who do not shoot the discipline but who have offered opinions of sorts.

But I don't thank anyone who came on here to gloat or cause problems with the thread ...and generally post like a divie.

 

[ips]

Wow, that all looked fun, and i missed most of it. But as a dedicated trap shooter i am glad i stayed out of it.

Ps- my dad was raf and i was born and brought up on raf stations.

Just saying.

 

[no.1topdog]

Don't want to boast. Ok Yes, I want to boast because I am proud of this.  :biggrin:

Both my Father and Grandfather were RAF Police (Grandfather during WW2) and my Great Grandfather was RFC during WW1.

I was also taught at school by Flt. Sgt Jimmy Corbin, a Battle of Britain and WW2 Spitfire pilot ("The Last of the Ten Fighter Boys" for anyone that may have read his books)

I have enormous respect for guys like this that did things I would not have the guts to do! Much respect to them all and those that have come after them. :biggrin:

That's all I will say on this subject.

 

[Jeremy Baker]

Ah bugger it..............

My Grandfather was Air Chief Marshall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Baker_(RAF_officer) and I am very proud of his achievements.

Flew in the First and Second wars.

No coaching in the cage, looks of exasperation yes though.

 

[no.1topdog]

Ah bugger it..............

My Grandfather was Air Chief Marshall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Baker_(RAF_officer) and I am very proud of his achievements.

No coaching in the cage, looks of exasperation yes though.

I feel rather "out-trumped" now!   :sarcastic:

 

[Nick Selby]

My grandfather was in SOE and believe me, they broke a lot of rules... However, ESP grounds would be a very strange and dull place if we didn't discuss the targets on offer and also didn't give a bit of encouragement to inexperienced shooters.

 

[RobertBeard]

It doesn't matter what they did, they all played their part.  Mostly their destiny was chosen for them by the powers way above them.

I am very proud of my Dad who was born on 19 January 1923.  I have his RAF pilot's flying log book which shows that he went into the RAF and on 22 February 1943, aged 20, he had his first flight in a Tiger Moth.  He ended up in Tiger Squadron after the war flying Meteor jet fighters.  He spent most of his war in the Med, Middle East and Africa and flew many types including Spitfires, Hurricanes, Kittyhawk, Hudson, Maurauder, Anson, Wellington, Ventura, Baltimore, Martinet, Albacore, Harvard, Corsair, Expediter, Beaufighter, Oxford and Meteors to finish.

Dad was lucky and wasn't front line during the war but his boss in later year's who was a mate of my grandfather had 3 sons in the RAF who were all killed during the war within weeks of each other.  How devastating must that have been for their parents!

As to Douglas Bader, he is a national hero and Battle of Britain pilot.  Most youngsters have a never say die attitude to life be they pilots, racing drivers or just ordinary young people.  He more than made up for any young foolishness and championed the cause of disabled people during his life after the war for which he was knighted!

 

[EdSolomons]

My grandad was a taxi driver do I win a prize?

 

[Jaykaysea]

Mine played rugby for England....

Perhaps we should do a new thread....famous family members....

 

[SIMON-B]

Both of my grandad's got bloody cold in the arctic convoy's.

chicken curry no worry