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Oh I hate unidentified complaint makers....it is such a weak character flaw in my humble opinion
I think that is a cultural difference, Moderations are a normal part of a forum to me. The culture of the largest forum board I frequent is that you don't launch into other members, if something that someone else writes bothers you, you use the "report to moderator" button and let them decide whether or not your objection is upheld. Replying directly to other posters is what usually starts fights and bitter arguments, which simply aren't good for a community. Certainly nothing will get you a temporary gagging order quicker than telling other people what to do. That's the mod's job. Mods uses public warnings, remove offensive or inflammatory posts and lock threads if they are getting out of hand. The result is that people who complain over nothing have no impact, people who have a genuine point are taken seriously and what is and isn't acceptable remains consistent. 

Having seen the aggressive responses to some moderations here I'm disinclined to speak directly about things to which I object to some posters. I don't know these people personally but they have my real name and I'm fairly easy to find through mutual shooting friends on Facebook. Someone took offence to something I said on another shooting forum (their issue, my relentless logic wasn't what they wanted to hear when they were upset), followed me around the forum for a bit and was a little annoying. But then he recognised me in person and it was extremely uncomfortable. Luckily for me it was in a formal situation so the most I got was surprising rudeness, but I really don't want to have to be in more of those situations. As it happens this particular man simmered down and voluntarily apologised later, but I've known enough men who get very angry and very aggressive when they think they have been wronged in any way by a woman to be cautious. By "wronged" I mean corrected, criticised, informed or argued with, or even simply requested to refrain from doing something. That's proper misogyny, and whilst I hope people here aren't like that I am not entirely confident that not all of them wouldn't be. Statistically, some of them must be. However, if people use the report to moderator button then it shouldn't ever happen. 

So yes, I'll use the report to moderator button if I want to. I feel free to use it for rape jokes, misogyny and objectification of women, racism, religious prejudice, homophobia, anything illegal and anything else that has no place in existence let alone in a community forum where real names are used. The polite thing to do with a TOS violation is let the mods handle it. 

 
Yes I agree, that those who take issue, could perhaps find the courage to politely mention their objection...as most seem to be able to do. They may then be able to put their thoughts across. . .
Here's a polite objection for you, I would like to politely object to you as a moderator suggesting that there is something wrong in using the report to moderator button, especially in view of what I've posted above. I find your suggestion that my wish to avoid having aggressive responses targeted at me for objecting to things that are against the Terms of Service unfair and disdainful. 


 
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Just to make things clear from my side....

I shoot from the hip, and take no prisoners :)

If i dont like you, you will be told   (Dec 25th ;) )

Likewise if i do like you the same goes.

Most of the people who have met me,  know what i'm like,  i'm pretty easy going, and can take most thing in my stride

Apart from R/L crossers  and  OT :) , but that i'm working on.

Ive been on the end of some keyboard warriors who try to do the threats  via PM  

I just post em up, and  leave the thread :)

The people ive met on here  are a a very friendly bunch, its just a shame i dont get to see / participate some more

Lifes too short to get  wound up by threads...

I have an ignore list  i use it   it  stops trolls no end

Mart

 
Yes using the report button fine if you need to (I have no idea where it is though on iPad or iPhone). But I was referring to the people said to be bothering Matt directly on email probably with pages of complaints, wanting people hung drawn and quartered.

Shooting and crying do not go together...

But this is just my humble opinion.

Each to their own.

One thing is sure some of us offend others (unintentionally ) by just having an opinion...or by voicing it....and defending it.

Some talk about shooters posting too much (in their opinion) but forget that these shooters were the ones who stayed with the forum from the beginning posting many many threads for discussion to interest others to join.

Are these people now supposed to bugger off...or just keep quiet??

At what point are they then allowed to post again?

Luckily Matt is a sensible fair person and is not swayed by over emotional approaches....thank heavens.

 
Wow, 8 pages in such of short time about BS. No wonder the UK is in such a poor shape like a dog chasing its tail!

Henry

 
Some of us do not think that people being personally insulted on the Web is BS or that it portrays shooters in a good light or that it is good for the forum and the people who set it up or the people who have to moderate it.

 
Unbelievable!!! We really need to shape up folks!! It's a shoot forum, some constructive, some very informative, and some just bloody funny, chill out a bit

 
It is going too far folks. When you are scared to compose a post on the grounds that what you say may in some way or other jangle a nerve somewhere there is a problem. I am not referring to the obviously unacceptable but just the things that may slip the mind. I mean one thing that to some people would be regarded as totally unacceptable is every day language to another... "Went for a chinky after the footy last night" good grief I can remember when the official commentators on the BBC referred to the Pakistan team as "the Pakki's" I really don't think there is any where such terms should or could be used today without causing offence so lets not hear it .. but I heard someone getting shouted down for referring to a female poster as suffering PMT because it is a disease, its not, it is however an unpleasant mensual side effect of hormonal imbalance suffered by some women. If someone said are your hormones playing up would it make things better? Still too personal? I would say more so ! And it goes without saying that actually verbally abusing an individual on the forum is just not on how ever high the adrenaline. Just my opinion obligatory :)

 
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It is going too far folks. When you are scared to compose a post on the grounds that what you say may in some way or other jangle a nerve somewhere there is a problem. I am not referring to the obviously unacceptable but just the things that may slip the mind. I mean one thing that to some people would be regarded as totally unacceptable is every day language to another... "Went for a chinky after the footy last night" good grief I can remember when the official commentators on the BBC referred to the Pakistan team as "the Pakki's" I really don't think there is any where such terms should or could be used today without causing offence so lets not hear it .. but I heard someone getting shouted down for referring to a female poster as suffering PMT because it is a disease, its not, it is however an unpleasant mensual side effect of hormonal imbalance suffered by some women. If someone said are your hormones playing up would it make things better? Still to personal? I would say more so ! And it goes without saying that actually verbally abusing an individual on the forum is just not on how ever high the adrenaline. Just my opinion obligatory :)
totally agree!!! Maybe the women could just post for their best 2 weeks in the month

 
Now look I never said that nor suggested it... but surely even a woman would laugh at what you have posted :)

 
I don't have a problem with pmt jokes so long as the boys don't mind me joking around with them. I know who I am, am confident about myself as a woman, past caring about my looks, figure or anything of that nature, don't think I ever cared really. Live and let live. Life is truly too short.

 
What is PMT and what have I supposed to have done now to Moore whatsit?

 
Context is everything. Saying "all the women have two days a week" is unfunny to me. It is a sexist joke but it's fairly low level. If you turn around and said "Got PMT have you?" when we're having an argument, that's unacceptable. That's you trying to use my gender in a way to disempower me. They are pretty different situations.

It's PMS these days. Pre Menstrual Syndrome.

 
Context is everything. Saying "all the women have two days a week" is unfunny to me. It is a sexist joke but it's fairly low level. If you turn around and said "Got PMT have you?" when we're having an argument, that's unacceptable. That's you trying to use my gender in a way to disempower me. They are pretty different situations.

It's PMS these days. Pre Menstrual Syndrome.
gee sh*t I am out as well!!! Got some ironing to do !!
 
Context is everything. Saying "all the women have two days a week" is unfunny to me. It is a sexist joke but it's fairly low level. If you turn around and said "Got PMT have you?" when we're having an argument, that's unacceptable. That's you trying to use my gender in a way to disempower me. They are pretty different situations.

It's PMS these days. Pre Menstrual Syndrome.
Liz

With respect any person male or female trying to disempower you in any situation can only succeed if you let them. At best if someone is trying to hurt you using this method just feel sorry for them that they are ignorant. Most times males and females use stereotypical scenarios or behaviours in jest.

 
Quite right Liz on many levels but you have to have some light heartedness not everything in life is black or white there are shades of grey surely? Also yes PMS but I think PMS is actually a more extreme form of PMT ? Anyway I think you are probably correct about using PMT but in some context's it fits the moment in a jocular way if perhaps still not really totally correct?

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what I am saying it could be a light-hearted comment between two posters having a bit of fluffy rabbits ?

 
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Quite right Liz on many levels but you have to have some light heartedness not everything in life is black or white there are shades of grey surely? Also yes PMS but I think PMS is actually a more extreme form of PMT ? Anyway I think you are probably correct about using PMT but in some context's it fits the moment in a jocular way if perhaps still not really totally correct?
Sure. People keep saying they wish people who had an issue with things would say so, so I've said so. Make a sexist joke and I probably won't find it funny if the only reason it's funny is "because she's a woman". but I also won't take deep and personal offence if you're not being disrespectful or hurtful. Some of the sexist jokes here are just so old hat I can't find them funny. The one about appliances earlier was funny enough, although I think my response was funnier. 

 
Sure. People keep saying they wish people who had an issue with things would say so, so I've said so. Make a sexist joke and I probably won't find it funny if the only reason it's funny is "because she's a woman". but I also won't take deep and personal offence if you're not being disrespectful or hurtful. Some of the sexist jokes here are just so old hat I can't find them funny. The one about appliances earlier was funny enough, although I think my response was funnier.
. I am back in for one more time, yes Liz that upset me, and I reported you
 

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