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[schmokinn]

 


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Government responded to the petition you signed




 
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To: schmokinn
 




 

 


 
 


 
 
 


 

Dear Mark,

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Keep all lead ammunition.”.

Government responded:

The Government is considering the independent Lead Ammunition Group’s report and will respond as soon as possible. See: www.food.gov.uk/science/advice-to-frequent-eaters-of-game-shot-with-lead.”



Lead shot has been prohibited for wildfowling since 1999 by the Environmental Protection (Restriction on Use of Lead Shot) (England) Regulations 1999. Those regulations introduced a double restriction: firstly, lead shot cannot be used, on any game, in certain areas – namely over the foreshore or over a list of named Sites of Special Scientific Interest; secondly, lead shot cannot be used anywhere for shooting certain species – namely ducks, geese, swans, coots and moorhens. These restrictions reflect the resolution made that year through the African Eurasian Waterbird Agreement, to which the UK is a party.

To examine the continued use of lead ammunition in other forms of shooting, the then Government established the independent Lead Ammunition Group in 2010 with these
aims:
• To advise Defra/FSA on what the significant risks to wildlife from the use of lead ammunition are and what levels of risk these pose in the short, medium and long term. Also any perceived risks which the evidence indicates are not significant.
• To advise Defra/FSA on possible options for managing the risk to human health from increased exposure to lead resulting from the use of lead ammunition, notably in terms of food safety (including game shot with lead ammunition and spent lead shot deposited on agricultural land).
• To advise Defra/FSA of any significant knowledge gaps that may hinder the identification or assessment of risks, the development of technical solutions or the development of government policy.
• To advise Defra/FSA on any communication issues, and possible solutions, concerning the relaying of balanced information on issues surrounding the use of lead ammunition to the media, general public and stakeholders.
• To advise DEFRA/FSA of any significant impacts of possible advice or solutions on shooting activity and associated recreational, wildlife management, economic and employment impacts.

The Lead Ammunition Group reported in 2015, though by the time it did so five of its ten members had resigned, with four of those subsequently submitting a different set of recommendations.

The Government is considering its report.

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs


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Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

so basically the government is going to take advice from a biased and incomplete committee that has an agenda against the subject they are reporting on.

Business as usual then!!

 

[ChrisPackham]

Although, it seems like Swan is going to be back on the menu so long as you use non toxic!..... Good to see they know what they are doing .....

 

[Jan Powell]

Being a realist, i'm afraid I can only see further restrictions on lead use, irrespective of the lack of evidence. The impact on the sport will be significant as no discipline bar skeet will be able to continue in its current form. Many shooters simply won't shoot steel and, I fear, many grounds and casual shoots will close.

It's really a question of when rather than if but how long it takes is anyone's guess.

 

[Simonix]

Unfortunately I agree with Jan. 

The other problem of course is once they have banned lead, they will then start on plastic wads too (needed for steel shot). Then we might as well kiss our sport goodbye! No viable ammunition = no shooting. 

Of course this is the real outcome these lobbyists want. They just don't want us having guns. 

 

[Les53]

Unfortunately I agree with Jan. 

The other problem of course is once they have banned lead, they will then start on plastic wads too (needed for steel shot). Then we might as well kiss our sport goodbye! No viable ammunition = no shooting. 

Of course this is the real outcome these lobbyists want. They just don't want us having guns. 

dont worry too much about the wads, some years ago a biodegradable plastic wad was tried out as I recall. The wad worked well but the particular shell went out of production as far as I remember. I think it may have been made by the Kent Cartidge Company, but not sure.

 

[ChrisPackham]

Surely as a direct replacement to lead and as such sold in vastly higher quantity, a Bismouth type product could be sold much cheaper? I can't imagine the cartridge  manufacturers on't have plans for this eventuality..

 

[Rosso]

I think and I may be wrong but is Bismuth only found in Bolivia.

Surely as a direct replacement to lead and as such sold in vastly higher quantity, a Bismouth type product could be sold much cheaper? I can't imagine the cartridge  manufacturers on't have plans for this eventuality..

 

[ChrisPackham]

Crikey, I hadn't realised that, I had assumed it was some kind of man made substance.. Surely cartridge manufacturers have some plan in place otherwise they are toast?

 

[schmokinn]

i believe some scandinavian countries have reintroduced lead shot after banning it for decades and finding that there was no proved effect from it,surely this must all go towards the argument for keeping it.

can the government really afford to lose in excess of a million votes,also the elite and there old guns will no longer be able to use them with steel?

also there are safety/polution issues with steel so what are we going to shoot ...sherbert pips!!