Release Triggers

[ips]

If shooting this doubles thing is as dodgy as you say with folk running for cover then me thinks from a H and S point of view release triggers are the least of your problems.

 

[Les53]

If shooting this doubles thing is as dodgy as you say with folk running for cover then me thinks from a H and S point of view release triggers are the least of your problems.

Yes, don't forget the H&S issues with sporting and skeet, bits of clay flying towards the shooter and anyone else standing in the vicinity. This must make trap a lot safer due to all the bits, or in my case whole clays, just flying off into the distance never to return! :haha:

 

[CharlesP]

I regard many of the better hammer guns as things of great beauty, because they are.  If you handle and examine one carefully beside a current OU this becomes pretty obvious. For some time I have been casting about for a good example of one of these gems of Victorian/Edwardian craftsmanship. It will be a damascus barrelled nitro proofed example, it will be freshly proofed and rejointed, and I will shoot clays with it.

With a hammer gun you can see if the lock is cocked - you can't do that with most hammerless designs. After 1869 (Stanton & Brazier's patent) almost all the better ones had rebounding locks which gave them what is effectively an intercepting scear. So to my mind they can be safer than today's clay shooting guns, many of which don't have an automatic safety.

I regard most good quality items of a bygone age fondly; they remind me of me.

 

[ips]

You sound very knowledgeable Charles.

Have a look at r bamfords web site he usually has some he likes his old English stuff.

 

[bostonmick]

I regard many of the better hammer guns as things of great beauty, because they are.  If you handle and examine one carefully beside a current OU this becomes pretty obvious. For some time I have been casting about for a good example of one of these gems of Victorian/Edwardian craftsmanship. It will be a damascus barrelled nitro proofed example, it will be freshly proofed and rejointed, and I will shoot clays with it. With a hammer gun you can see if the lock is cocked - you can't do that with most hammerless designs. After 1869 (Stanton & Brazier's patent) almost all the better ones had rebounding locks which gave them what is effectively an intercepting scear. So to my mind they can be safer than today's clay shooting guns, many of which don't have an automatic safety. I regard most good quality items of a bygone age fondly; they remind me of me.

I also think the old sxs is a thing of great beauty and of great skill from makers of the past.my point being that it is very possible that when cocking the hammer it is possible for it to slip therefore creating a discharge.therefore in the eyes of guru must also make them dangerous and place them on the banned list.we have enough bad press fro ill informed bodies to the general populous without our own ranks adding to it.people do not use release types because they are old.doddery.or idiots.it is to try and overcome a problem and allow them to continue with what I regard as the finest sport there is.i have had some 45 years of shooting and still have all my limbs.never maimed anyone or killed anyone so some of us doddery old idiots must be doing it right.

 

[no.1topdog]

I also think the old sxs is a thing of great beauty and of great skill from makers of the past.my point being that it is very possible that when cocking the hammer it is possible for it to slip therefore creating a discharge.therefore in the eyes of guru must also make them dangerous and place them on the banned list.we have enough bad press fro ill informed bodies to the general populous without our own ranks adding to it.people do not use release types because they are old.doddery.or idiots.it is to try and overcome a problem and allow them to continue with what I regard as the finest sport there is.i have had some 45 years of shooting and still have all my limbs.never maimed anyone or killed anyone so some of us doddery old idiots must be doing it right.

I think hammer guns are already on the prohibited list for registered competition, and that is what we are talking about here, not an outright, wipe off the face of the earth ban.

I totally agree with you about shooting being the finest sport there is, and I personally will not be looking forward to the time when I have to question if I have become a doddery old idiot, and have to give up (although some would say that is fast approaching).

I knew a guy once who commuted to London on the train for over 40 years. Sometimes he sat facing forwards, sometimes backwards depending where there was a spare seat. For over 40 years he travelled to work safely with no incident until the day he got off the wrong side of the train when it pulled into his station, he fell on to the next track, and splat! He was gone! This was in the days when the doors on the wrong side remained unlocked. Which just goes to show you can be safe for years until one day you do something out of character which makes you unsafe. It can happen to any of us at any time, and being safe for a long time, does not make you safe for all time.   :biggrin:

 

[bostonmick]

Do they still run trains.never found the need myself.did they manage to salvage his release trigger hammer gun.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Nicola you are talking BOL**CKS! As to the goverment "issue" I guess you are refering to the handgun ban? !

Nope.....on both of the above.....Mr Cocky Boho Lucks. :wink:

I was referring to the MP and the Lord....who was chasing us (Cpsa) on the disabled issues. I helped deal with it at the time......so I know exactly who to resurrect .......if the Cpsa even look another sideways glance...towards a ban on release triggers.

I think nursey needs to 'up' your meds Siiiirrreeeeyyyyl. :wink:

And on that note.......I am out.

 

[shootinguru]

 I see that I am wasting my time on this subject but sadly sooner or later I'll be proved right at someones expence! :fie:  It won't be on my concience.

Shoot clay admin, Have a chat with Leigh Houlgrave or some of the fitasc referees that have been on the curcuit for a fair few years and they will tell you turning the opposite way to what they said  happens more often than you think!  but after 35 years of organising/running and shooting fitasc WTF would I know? :crazy:

 

[shootinguru]

So Nicola, why is the ISSF not having grief over their ban on release triggers, or does no one use them in double trap and the other ISSF disciplines? 

 

[** Pending Removal **]

So Nicola, why is the ISSF not having grief over their ban on release triggers, or does no one use them in double trap and the other ISSF disciplines? 

See my above post......I am out..!It gets really boring when the topic gets silly. As Sloppy and others have already said......it is the idiot behind the trigger not the mechanism.

We all know of loads of accidents and close shave discharges with normal triggers.....that we have seen ourselves.......FFS...I was even shot by the guy on the next peg when game shooting in Wales....so can speak 1st hand....that anyone can make a mistake.

So Siiiireeyl.....put up or shut up..!

Produce actual documented evidence of your claims. (Gun, person, event, what specifically happened, injuries etc etc).

Off for a very long nap now....as this may take some time.

 

[40UP]

I saw a Krieghoff fly 15 feet on Saturday. It is the shooter who is responsible for his actions.

 

[shootinguru]

Nic and Co, its obvious that I am preaching to the deaf, dead and those who don't want to hear!  like the 3 wise monkeys  Hear no evil ,speak no evil, and see no evil!

Subject Finished!  Finito, Fin,  The End!

 

[ips]

I saw a Krieghoff fly 15 feet on Saturday. It is the shooter who is responsible for his actions.

after my last line a eell very nearly followed it

 

[bostonmick]

after my last line a eell very nearly followed it

I can offer a disposal service for eell's totally free of charge you understand.

 

[ips]

My company operates within strict HS and environmental guidelines and would require a waste licence and a fully documented paper trail, it this something you can comply with.

 

[Salopian]

Cyril,

Stay and fight, give us facts that it was actually the release trigger that caused the issue.

FITASC :-

For Cyril and anyone else who doesn't understand.

Targets may ( will) be shot from a hoop placed on the ground. Targets may come from many directions and may involve turning the feet within the hoop through greater than 180 degrees to address the targets.

Release Triggers are usually designed to work on the following principle, you pull the trigger to cock the mechanism and release it when shooting the first target. To shoot the second target involves using a standard mechanism i.e. pull and the gun fires.

SO, for Cyril and those that still don't understand you stand in the hoop holding the gun stock below the taped line, safety off, pull trigger to cock mechanism, wait until you see the target, move mount, shoot by releasing the trigger. Second target, turn feet 180 degrees or whatever see target move mount if not already mounted and pull the trigger gun discharges exactly the same as a normal gun.

SO, Cyril, is it the release trigger that is unsafe or the person using it.

Finally for those who still do not understand. If you have set a release trigger and a "no bird" or any other baulk or distraction occurs. With the forehand , opening the gun by operating the toplever disables the mechanism.

 

[bostonmick]

I am the holder of a current level 4 wamitab in waste management so rest assured your disposal would be fully in line with all eec regulations.

 

[timps]

Forgive my total ignorance on release triggers but I never knew that the second shot operated like a normal trigger.

I understood the principle of them was to help with flinch or trigger freeze but if it behaves like a normal trigger on the second shot how does does it help the shooter overcome flinch or freeze on the second shot?

Not criticising them just curious as to the methodology as I never knew they operated this way.

 

[ips]

I am the holder of a current level 4 wamitab in waste management so rest assured your disposal would be fully in line with all eec regulations.

that's ok then as long as its all legit