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Aris

Game ore have come out with what I think is a new type of biodegradable wad - similar to a plastic wad, but dissolves in water.

 

 

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El Spavo

Cost to the average shooter will be a huge factor, trust me.

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ColinD

Some company at the British shooting show had something similar, I couldn't afford to shoot at their prices.

They said the stuff would be cheaper as demand increased, but not a very good way to get people into using them in the first place

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Lloyd

I remember a time when a DVD player cost £700. Didn’t take long before they were less than £200.

Nowadays, you can pick one up on your weekly shop for twenty-quid.

Everett Rogers 1962 book “Diffusion of Innovations” is a good theory as to the how and why a high priced item can eventually be afforded  by the masses.

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Robden

I thought Eley were looking into this last year.

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Wonko the Sane

When I see things like this I always wonder about the scalability of the production process.  That would seem to me to be the vital link in getting a major player interested in the thing.

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Lloyd
11 hours ago, Robden said:

I thought Eley were looking into this last year.

Yes, indeed they were and have product on the market, though still not that many stockists

1 hour ago, Wonko the Sane said:

When I see things like this I always wonder about the scalability of the production process.  That would seem to me to be the vital link in getting a major player interested in the thing.

Indeed. In my limited experience, three things effect the price. Rising demand, in turn the amortisation of costs over the volume manufactured, and selling for what it’s ‘worth’ over selling for cost plus fixed margin. 
I remember in economics class the price equilibrium was a simple matter of supply versus demand. Reality seems a little more complex

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Cosmicblue

Pricing is a truly fascinating subject, I've worked for this company for close to 5 years now https://pros.com/solutions/price-optimization-management/    Strangely, although I'd worked in the enterprise software space for 27+ years prior I'd never been exposed to pricing tools - eye opening is an understatement and something few people are even aware exists.  

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Wonko the Sane
8 hours ago, Lloyd said:

Yes, indeed they were and have product on the market, though still not that many stockists

Indeed. In my limited experience, three things effect the price. Rising demand, in turn the amortisation of costs over the volume manufactured, and selling for what it’s ‘worth’ over selling for cost plus fixed margin. 
I remember in economics class the price equilibrium was a simple matter of supply versus demand. Reality seems a little more complex

Check Father Guido Sarducci

the "economics" is down page a bit

https://www.templaruniversity.com/guido.html

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vmax1010

Nigerian degree £4.99 of Ebay job done 😁

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Aris

Writing is on the wall.  We will be using steel shot soon enough, and won't be able to use plastic wads.  Something like this is the solution unless you want to bugger up your barrel.

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Wonko the Sane
5 hours ago, Aris said:

Writing is on the wall.  We will be using steel shot soon enough, and won't be able to use plastic wads.  Something like this is the solution unless you want to bugger up your barrel.

Yes - - - and with steel it will take some robust indeed was to save the barrel and I'm not sure paper is up to that.  But ..................... who knows?

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jasper

Jocker have just launched a bio wad. They are £220 / thou by us. 

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Lloyd

Ball locks. 

I mean, I’d be interested to know more about this new paper board that doesn’t need a plastic coating, but currently “recyclable” paper coffee cups are in fact not. Well, you can tear off those corrugated outer sleeves and the plastic lid can be recycled. The cup itself however cannot. Yet how many end up in the recycling bins? 
 

A good friend of mine is an environmental consultant  has worked for google, Nike, PepsiCo, Walmart et.al  he talks often of companies “greenwashing” their products to make them sound socially responsible when OMG act they’re often taking a worse route and pouring out propaganda to make larger profits.

This glass recycling carbon footprint rhetoric smells a bit fishy sure, melting down glass has high carbon input due to the heat, the material however can be recycled many times with little degradation, unlike plastics  and doesn’t anyone remember the days you sued to wash out bottles and leave them for the milkman to collect and reuse? Not a huge footprint  as a kid we would take our pop bottles back to the corner shop and get a 10p refund and we’d jack ourselves up in sugary penny sweets.

 

 

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jwpzx9r
Posted (edited)

Johnnie Walker are just about to start bottling their brand of Scotch in paper bottles!

Charlie beat me to it! Obviously likes a shot now and again... and again.:lol:

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Aris
On 7/12/2020 at 6:31 PM, Wonko the Sane said:

Yes - - - and with steel it will take some robust indeed was to save the barrel and I'm not sure paper is up to that.  But ..................... who knows?

Who said this was paper?

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FESkent

Nothing new water soluble wads were in use by armusa way back in 2013 the wads are made in Spain, but they are a lot more expensive which may be why gamebore has decided to make their own.

 

 

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jwpzx9r

And they all lived happily ever after... except for the ducks:lol: 

This is just my incredibly narrow minded view but I care as much about protecting the planet for the adorable future generations about as much as they care one about me... not one iota ! :lol:

Here is the view of the majority of the young about those who are older and retired... they are a burden on every section of the social scale! Now when I was working and paying my taxes that helped get them through school and then on to university that was different... now that I no longer work or pay as much tax as I did and from time to time have to make use of the services I helped to pay for I am an unwanted burden. Now if we look at those young graduates the first thing a lot of them did when they finished their education was took time out to travel the world rather than get a job and  become productive !:lol:

I will say however that I am very lucky to have been born when I was, my dad and many dads just like him helped not only to win a war of freedom over tyranny but he then worked hard to get the country back into shape after it. I carried that on like many others of my generation and reaped the rewards of those who went before me and what I had done myself... and managed to retire early a great bonus! I suppose that is one smirk I have on my face at times... I know that very few of these moaning shirkers will have the same chance to do that:lol:

 

Here endeth my bitter tirade for the day :lol:

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Wonko the Sane

John,  I have to admit that I have to agree with everything you say.  'Cept I didn't get to retire early unfortunately.  I may not be quite so cavalier about the planet but that would be in the interests of most anything but people - who in the large have demonstrated a total disregard for anything but themselves.  The very thing that gave us covid-19.  When I was in grad school I read a paper that typified humans as an evolutionary failure and general disaster.  Haven't seen anything to contradict that. 

better let it go at that  :lolu::thumbsu:

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ColinD

Do you retire with a company final salary pension, which seems to be the main point on contention with young workers today.

I was on one but Mr Brown ended that one as with many others, what a lot have now I'm afraid is poor paying jobs with no pension to speak of at the end of it, companies that don't care one bit about their employees only the share holders, many unable to afford to buy their own house due to private rent being so high and deposits set so high that paying rent and saving for one is virtually impossible, no wonder they think the way they do.

5yrs until I retire, but my morgage was paid by the time I was 50, small pension at 55 from a previously nationalised company when I was made redundant when it was privatised, small penision due from the company that I then moved too after ( was a final salery but see previous comments) in 5yrs so all in all I think we did have the best deal

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Paul120

As the a biodegradable I assume they will have to have use by dates. This could cause all sorts of issues around safety. 

Regarding ColinD comments around retirement. Anybody that now is old enough to be in the baby boomer generation have had the opportunity to receive pension benefits like those now rapidly disappearing. 

I remember an old manager at a former nationalised company telling me at a retirement party around the early 1990's.   All the people retireing from the mid 80's to then should be grateful. And that Never have so many been given so much for doing so little. Something that went on until the early 2000's. And yes Mr Brown ruined the whole thing to the point that pentions are very poor now 

 

 

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westley
On 7/14/2020 at 8:23 AM, jwpzx9r said:

Johnnie Walker are just about to start bottling their brand of Scotch in paper bottles!

Charlie beat me to it! Obviously likes a shot now and again... and again.:lol:

It would be better on draught.............just take yer own container  !     😋

On 7/13/2020 at 7:29 PM, Lloyd said:

Ball locks. 

I mean, I’d be interested to know more about this new paper board that doesn’t need a plastic coating, but currently “recyclable” paper coffee cups are in fact not. Well, you can tear off those corrugated outer sleeves and the plastic lid can be recycled. The cup itself however cannot. Yet how many end up in the recycling bins? 
 

A good friend of mine is an environmental consultant  has worked for google, Nike, PepsiCo, Walmart et.al  he talks often of companies “greenwashing” their products to make them sound socially responsible when OMG act they’re often taking a worse route and pouring out propaganda to make larger profits.

This glass recycling carbon footprint rhetoric smells a bit fishy sure, melting down glass has high carbon input due to the heat, the material however can be recycled many times with little degradation, unlike plastics  and doesn’t anyone remember the days you sued to wash out bottles and leave them for the milkman to collect and reuse? Not a huge footprint  as a kid we would take our pop bottles back to the corner shop and get a 10p refund and we’d jack ourselves up in sugary penny sweets.

 

 

 

Most of those I see,  wind up on the street   ! 

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El Spavo
On 8/6/2020 at 4:46 PM, ColinD said:

small penision due from the company that I then moved too

You can get vacuum pumps online to help with that I think fella. :)

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