Thanks Jim, and you're right, but let's not get carried away with one shoot. My point is and always has been that my courses are 100% different everytime so blogs such as this aren't particularly helpful for me and make me pretty savage. /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-yell.gif When we have been banging on and on (excuse the punn!) about different layouts every time and people do one shoot and start saying 'this is the way its going to be so I'm not sure it's for me....' quite honestly it makes me wonder why I bother changing everything so much each week! I could just leave it (as many do) and have an easy life. Just try thinking about what you are all actually saying. One swallow doesn't make a summer and one shoot doesn't make 'the norm'. Westfield next time will be 100% different, as always, and I will set the targets so it is varied, interesting, challenging and achievable for all levels taking into consideration the wind direction, speed, temperature, sun and everything else. I won't be setting it with the hard target brigade in mind or the soft shoot fanatics. I'll be setting what I think is a good course with something for everyone and people will undoubtedly tell me their opinions, good and bad, at the end. That's what it's all about. I too love to go and have a crack at the really long crossers and I know how it feels to keep going back until you've got it but quite honestly, to many sunday shooters, that's not what they want and on a stand where that could cost someone (B,C shooters in particular) 4-5 targets, it's not ideal.As for times are hard why put the price up, the answer is simple, it's been £30 to shoot 100 birds for 3 years, since then the clays are a lot more expensive, VAT is 2.5% dearer, our rent has risen twice and our insurance for the shoots has increased £2k per year. I don't think I need to even mention fuel. I'm sure your business prices have increased a little in the last 3 years too. Are you still charging your customers the same price or have you finally had to pass on the increases too?Our reason for going to £150 1st per class is that we normally stake a £150 HG which is our sponsorship of the shoot. It generally only appeals to one class, a dozon or so shooters but from our point of view it is to stimulate people to want to attend the shoot. B and A class could argue that they fill most of our shoots yet they are never going to win the shoot and AA get a HG and a 1st place?? The argument works both ways. Perhaps it is a mindset that needs to change? I don't know. Time will tell. /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gifIf a dozen or more in each class are stimulated by this prize fund then everyone wins. It's not ideal when someone like Sean shoots 96 and gets £30 but equally someone on the same day shot 1 or 2 targets less than that and got nothing - it's the same in every class. It sucks but the line has to be drawn somewhere. That's the point of classes, you are being totally ridiculous to make the comparison between 1st in C and 3rd in AA.We will run the prize fund for a while and see what happens, it may be modified, it may not. We did run a prize fund Jan/Feb this year that paid £80 1st, £60 2nd, £50 3rd, £40 4th and a free shoot for 5th but that didn't seem to interest that many people so we stopped. We're damned if we do, we're damned if we don't so as the saying goes, 'Love a lot, trust a few but always paddle your own canoe'. I am now off to go paddling some more at Westfield to get the FITASC ready for this weekend. See you there. Steve