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[Jan Powell]

One of but not the greatest

There's nobody else competing at the moment that's even close. 

https://www.teamusa.org/News/2019/May/10/Kim-Rhode-Does-What-No-Woman-Has-Done-Before-With-Record-Fourth-Shooting-World-Cup-Win-In-A-Row

To win Olympic gold medals in both trap and skeet is, in itself, an incredible achievement and, if memory serves me correctly, she's now up to 24 World Cup gold medals.

Oh, and don't forget these achievements have been earned against truly international competition. Something that doesn't apply to one of two other 'World Champions' I could name.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

And  she's simply a perfectly lovely person besides.  Even tho she does shoot Beretta now   :smile:

And congratulations, John ! ! !  You are clearly a fine salesman particularly to yourself when those extra $ are in play  oke:  

 

[jwpzx9r]

Charlie its a head game as you know... my head is bad at the best of times  :lol:   But tell my how the hell you shoot the first 17 for the loss of one and then miss five from eight ? I know that it could be a lost cause but if I can lose the doubt I must be better off ? As said though I have made decent scores with the current stock... so just as I had suspected... IT IS ME THAT IS THE PROBLEM!   :lol:  

Seriously though if people can get a lift out of using snazzy cartridges or different chokes I am willing to give a new stock a try... nothing to loose..well accept some money and at my age that is of no consequence  :lol:

 

[Jeremy Baker]

There's nobody else competing at the moment that's even close. 

https://www.teamusa.org/News/2019/May/10/Kim-Rhode-Does-What-No-Woman-Has-Done-Before-With-Record-Fourth-Shooting-World-Cup-Win-In-A-Row

To win Olympic gold medals in both trap and skeet is, in itself, an incredible achievement and, if memory serves me correctly, she's now up to 24 World Cup gold medals.

Oh, and don't forget these achievements have been earned against truly international competition. Something that doesn't apply to one of two other 'World Champions' I could name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Digweed

 

[Hamster]

This is one of those subjects where unless you're very well versed in the difference(s) between the many disciplines, it's difficult if not impossible to draw meaningful comparison between their respective "stars". It goes without saying that huge praise and due respect needs to be heaped upon anyone who wins more than the odd title and Kim has shown that she's at the top of her "repetitive" games. 

It undeniably takes monumental dedication, skill and class to do half of what she's done and it's hard to argue with the fact that to do so she'd have to have beaten similarly talented world class opposition. Therefore, on paper at least, it's possible to make a case for her being the GOAT.............................or it would be if we forget to factor in the respective difficulty of the various disciplines, luckily numbers don't lie, a simple cursory look at the scores commonly posted in the likes of Skeet and Trap V ESP and Fitasc it becomes immediately obvious that they're like chalk and cheese. One requires near perfect scores to merely get into shoot off's whereas with the other perfect scores are almost unheard of (unless your name is George Digweed incidentally, as he stands alone even in that regard). 

People can go a lifetime without ever posting a 95 in ESP or Fitasc but it would be a very poor regular Skeeter who wouldn't manage that several times a month. So, do we chose our GOAT based on difficulty AND titles won or the latter alone ? A simple test would put paid to any doubts, to me the greatest of all time means he/she who can outshoot most others at most disciplines (not beat the best but beat most others at most other disciplines). 

Dunno about you but I don't fancy my chance with GD on any other discipline (despite and even if I say so meself, having equaled or beaten his score 8-9 times over the years at ESP), Kim on the other hand............................................could she realistically put up a good show at a regular registered sporting ? I kinda doubt it, in fact I'd be surprised if she got in the top 15, and to me that's the difference. Sorry but George is head and shoulders above in any such comparison and company. 

 

[Jan Powell]

Agreed insofar as determining the greatest is very subjective. Not least because it depends on what criteria is used to determine 'the best'.

If it's measured in terms of the most titles won, George Digweed and Wayne Mayes sit on top. If it's down to the most talented then either Matthew Dryke, Michael Diamond or Miroslav Bednarik would be up there.

Setting aside the many World Cup, Pan American and Olympic games medals she's won, what marks Kim out as the greatest is her ability to beat the best in world in both trap and skeet. There's plenty of successful competitors that have dominated their discipline, Giovanni Pelliello, Todd Bender, Leo Harrison and others but only one that's won Olympic gold medals in two. Think of it as the Olympic equivalent of Usain Bolt medalling in both the marathon and the sprint!

I would also say, to be considered the greatest, you must have competed against and beaten the truly international field of rivals. Although domestic disciplines may have their World Championships the entry is usually limited to a handful of countries. That can't be said for those competing in the ISSF events and, for me, that's where the best compete.

 

[jwpzx9r]

I would also say, to be considered the greatest, you must have competed against and beaten the truly international field of rivals. Although domestic disciplines may have their World Championships the entry is usually limited to a handful of countries. That can't be said for those competing in the ISSF events and, for me, that's where the best compete.

I agree with a lot of that. In as much as competing in the Olympic games it gets a bit cloudy. Sometimes the shooters that have bagged a spot in the Olympics have done so when really on form and the gone off the boil come the event so the best shooter in the world at that time may not be at the event. Anyway I don't go with there actually being a best ever shooter accolade I prefer to just say some shooters are exceptional and could probably do a job in another discipline, For example there will be few if any trap shooters who could shoot a sporting discipline at the same level and vice versa Richard Faulds being a possible exception although he shot double trap which is totally different to OT and has historically far fewer competitors.  

 

[Jonny English]

Maybe to assess greatness measured by world titles you also need to know the number of titles contested and not won. Greatness would therefore be measured in titles won against title attempts failed.

 

[Hamster]

We could always assemble the contenders and throw all kinds of stuff for them to hit from 5 to 75 yards and see who hits the mostest. My money would be very safe. 

 

[Westward]

We could always assemble the contenders and throw all kinds of stuff for them to hit from 5 to 75 yards and see who hits the mostest. My money would be very safe. 

IIRC some folks in the US set up a world all round event with huge prize money and an eye watering entry fee. There were about 10 disciplines including helice and I think live pigeons. It ran for 2 years running and George won both times.

 

[MartynB]

IIRC some folks in the US set up a world all round event with huge prize money and an eye watering entry fee. There were about 10 disciplines including helice and I think live pigeons. It ran for 2 years running and George won both times.

From somewhere on google 

“In 2007 the first ever “World All Round Shotgun Championship” was conducted over four days in Dallas, USA. It comprised everything from American Skeet, FITASC and 5 Stand Sporting, ATA, Helice, and Flyers to the ISSF disciplines of International Trap and Skeet. George won the title by nearly 20 targets. That is a victory on the verge of being embarrassing to his opposition. The competitors that finished from 2nd to 5th place were four world-class shotgunners that included Jon Kruger, Bill McGuire, Scott Robertson and Gebben Miles. The Americans decided to run the Championship again the following year so Digweed went back and won it again. This event now ceases to exist.”

 

[Hamster]

IIRC some folks in the US set up a world all round event with huge prize money and an eye watering entry fee. There were about 10 disciplines including helice and I think live pigeons. It ran for 2 years running and George won both times.

I know I remember it well, the entry fee was $5k if memory serves but I don't know if any Skeet specialists entered.

 

[schmokinn]

We could always assemble the contenders and throw all kinds of stuff for them to hit from 5 to 75 yards and see who hits the mostest. My money would be very safe. 

If you were truly going to get them to shoot every discipline in one competition my money would be on Richard King a True all rounder mainly known for sporting but a skeet champion and pretty awesome at trap to.

 

[jwpzx9r]

For what it is actually worth I don't think Alberto Fernadez is remotely interested in shooting ESP or FITASC  or ATA nor is G Digweed interested in shooting  OT or any other trap events... but some on here will insist on drawing some parallels that don't exist. What I will say in the same breath is G Digweed has no chance of winning a world cup championship OT event and neither has A Fernandez a chance of winning a world FITASC championship... simples.

 

[paul b]

Digweed world cup gold 1993 double trap.

Richard faulds olympic dt gold and picked up a tidy wedge at last years alround comp in America,the final is on the net.

 

[jwpzx9r]

Digweed world cup gold 1993 double trap.

Richard faulds olympic dt gold and picked up a tidy wedge at last years alround comp in America,the final is on the net.

I don't doubt it I just said he would not win an OT world championship either then nor now... even more so now of course. However yet again the nail is smacked on the head there is a huge difference between DT and OT and for what ever reason some sort of parallel is trying to be made... why? By the way I am not suggesting that these shooters are not great they are BUT neither of the two could or would win an Olympic gold at OT anymore than Olympic gold medal winner would win a DT gold. Personally I would put the Olympic trap gold at the pinnacle of shooting others can have there own opinion I could care less. 

 

[paul b]

You did say "OT or any other trap event"

The greats can shoot different events to top level as they have proved,richard even did fitasc sporting esp,and dt at the very top in the same period.

A dt shooter is currently our only mens quota winner in OT so that switch can be made.

 

[LarsJ]

This thread is brilliant in two ways. First what a turn it has taken. OP ask question about a stock, and the majority part of the tread is about who is the best shot in the world. Have to love the internet 

Secondly it reminds me of what choke/shot size thread. And those are always amusing. 

Lars 

 

[Wonko the Sane]

  So ...................... 1/2 choke and #8's?

My personal assessment of game difficulty would be determined by the $ up for grabs.  Take a look at the money being played for on the live bird circuit and everything else pales in comparison.

I've shot lotsa different kinds of games but out of the lot only live birds was ever anything I reallyreallyreally wished I could do.  But of course that might just be me.

 

[paul b]

  So ...................... 1/2 choke and #8's?

My personal assessment of game difficulty would be determined by the $ up for grabs.  Take a look at the money being played for on the live bird circuit and everything else pales in comparison.

I've shot lotsa different kinds of games but out of the lot only live birds was ever anything I reallyreallyreally wished I could do.  But of course that might just be me.

Mickey rouse has got to be up there in that game.