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in team sports the coach gets the credit for the success and then gives the credit to to the individuals on the team....in individual sports the coach should never get the credit because the coach does not make the sacrifices in time & $$$$ and efort  that the athlete does....golf tennis chess running.....when someone wins a tournament when they get the tropyhy it is theirs... they can thank others but they won it and they deserve it.... 

Remember this....you cannot trust anyone more than you trust yourself.....

It is the athlete that takes what the coach explains so he/she can understand it clearly and then begins to work on changing their habits and reactions ....... truth be known the top shooters all have someone they confide in.....some more than others but just like how much they practice and how often and what they practice they are not going to tell you or anyone else....why should they when they were the ones that asked for and paid for the help in the first place or they were the ones that developed the practice routines that they use to give themselves consistently great performances......... why would they tell you who or what they discovered that helped them become a champion ?..... it might help you beat them........

no one is mentally tough "naturally".....that is something that some get at an early age maybe due to things that happen in their lives....death of a parent or close encounter with loosing your life.......that is one of the purposes of school athletic programs.....and also why many colleges require extra curricular activities for admittance.....at the end of the day just like public speaking you can understand how to talk and can even talk without thinking but to have a conversation with 10,000 listeners changes things in the beginning. .....however after you have DONE IT A HUNDRED TIMES THERE IS NO FEAR AND YOU BECOME CONFIDENT...

Had a lesson with a professional Bass Fisherman a few years back and he already knew how to compete from fishing all he needed to know is how to shoot.....because of his efforts he already knew what it would take to make the new habits his and he went about doing it.....in no more than a year he was in the 80's and then in another year in the 90's....the principals of performance are the same regardless of arena......in order for anyone to be able to perform at a high level it takes an openness to change and a greater tolerance of failure and set back....rather than looking at failure as a life sentence they all look at it as an opportunity to learn and in learning become better......some people learn more quickly that others and that would be a matter of attitude... .......

Confidence and competence are brothers.......they come from courage and determination......eventually you will get to a point when you will actually say to yourself......what will happen if i miss this target....if you look to the east in the morning the sun will still rise......you will give into fear enough times and shoot not to miss and you will have to admit to yourself that checking the lead dont work......it is at that point that you summon the courage to be determined to do something different regardless of what the result might be.....and regardless of result you learn from it and move on......

have a student named Ken that was contemplating lens replacement for cataract .......in discussing this with another client who was a retired surgeon at a clinic in Denver last month Ken expressed concern about the proceedure  and the retired surgeon said the procedure is simple with little or no risk for complications......which was true but when the retired surgeon found out that Ken had only one eye he immediately said......then in that case you want to have it done by someone who does 3,000 or 4,000 cases a year not someone who does 400 per year.......hummmm experience.....now where have we heard that before.....

never give up your right to fail and having failed learn from it and move on......

confidence and consistency cannot be practiced.......they are the residue of practice.....when you become competent at anything you become confident and when you are confident you become consistent........

again you cant learn skill from someone....you can be inspired to become skillful by someone.....you can gain knowledge from someone that will help you become skillful in a shorter amount of time.....you are not born with skill because skill is an insulated Neuro-circuit and the insulation grows by firing the circuit over and over correctly...........it is a job and you must work at developing it........it is much like how I have learned to view trust......my uncle Rodney Chambless told me one day years ago...."Nephew trust is a gift.....when you meet someone and you shake their hand you give them your trust, but from that point on they have to earn it..."

FEAR

Failure to

Effectively

Accept

Results

failure is the first step in the learning curve......and in performance how you handle fear determines how well you perform.....anyone can handle hitting the target.....it is who you become when you miss that determines how far you go and how quickly you get there!

"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career....I've lost almost 300 games.....26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed......I've failed over and over and over again in my life and THAT is why I succeed....Michael Jordan

it is not what yo know that makes you better.....it is what you are willing to learn...

remember the conflicted shooter and the two things he absolutely hates????.... 1 Change.......2  The way things are

Question......when was the last time you actually did something for the first time.......????????????

GA

 
Another great post Gil. Thank you.

I always tell people coming to Helice or flyers that they have to know how to lose well before they can win big......true story..!

 
Some people can naturally apply the mental game.....some people need guidance with it....BUT....all winners use it in one form or another.....true story..!
Oh I don't know, I think I do get it. Some keep dropping names of those who we know have had mental coaching but gently skirt round the many names who have NOT. Looking at your statement above which seems to contradict your own stance at least I'm consistent. 

 
Another good post Gil, I love this bit "remember the conflicted shooter and the two things he absolutely hates????.... 1 Change"

How many times do we blast away at the same target, missing it in the same place every time :( so difficult to accept we are wrong and so unwilling to make the change, even when its our own brain telling us to do it  :crazy:

 
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Oh I don't know, I think I do get it. Some keep dropping names of those who we know have had mental coaching but gently skirt round the many names who have NOT. Looking at your statement above which seems to contradict your own stance at least I'm consistent.
Did not understand any of that .....never mind :laugh:

 
I'm just catching up on the threads here and getting a feel for the forum.  But on this thread I'm not 100% clear on the question or point being made by @Hamster.  So here's my perspective... 

Historically there have been many more World Champions in sport who have not done any formal mental training than those who have. That is not disputed.  But in sport people are looking for an edge - be that physically, through equipment or otherwise.  Decades ago no one could properly quantify tools to give a mental edge.  And what was available in this field was done with great secrecy.  This might have been for reasons of an edge, or keeping quiet about something which might fail and result in humiliation.  That is still often the case today.

What has happened in shooting disciplines in the last decade is that because the majority of the top shots have had some form of mental coaching, others wish to follow, before that gap becomes too large.  They need to remain competitive.  We see this in many other areas - ribs, glasses, cartridges, chokes.

You're of course not going to get a tick list of who has or who hasn't.  It isn't clear cut.  What constitutes mental coaching? Reading a book by Bob Rotella many years ago because they happen to play golf as well, or to contract a mental coach to work with them full time on their shooting?  Some of my younger students have gone on to become World / National / Olympic successes - not because of me, but I passed knowledge onto them which contributed to that success.

So we have a combination of increased awareness of something which might give an edge (mental coaching) and also the specialist coaches have a greater knowledge of what can benefit the shooter.  For instance, I know little about the benefit of one glasses lens to another. I am not a psychologist who might help you on your self image as a shooter.  But I can tell you if you are focused when you shoot from a neurological perspective and in some cases teach you how to achieve this consistently. It's quite detailed and complex.   I see this as just 1 piece in a 100 piece jigsaw which makes a successful shooter.  My job is to put that one piece in place.  Other people are more skilled than me at the other pieces.

Most shooters are content with just working on part of their jigsaw. They do the easy pieces and they are happy.  If you're content with averaging low 80's and it makes you happy when you head out on a Sunday morning - fine.  No one can disagree. That is their prerogative to be happy with that. But if you want to consistently hit higher scores you need to examine other aspects of your formula - because the people you are competing against are. 

Every shooter in the top ten in any shooting discipline has a mental formula. Be that something they think works for them so stick to it, or something they have sought assistance from a coach. They have their jigsaw.

As for, "Some keep dropping names of those who we know have had mental coaching but gently skirt round the many names who have NOT", surely that is understandable?  There are those who unsolicited speak about their work with a coach, such as on this forum.  There are others who are happy to be quoted in articles or testimonials.  Then there are those who require total anonymity. I would not "skirt round the many names who have NOT" had coaching with me, they simply have not or I don't want to compromise their wishes.  Saying that, it is frustrating not to tell the world the names when you have two students on a world championship podium, neither knowing you have trained them both and you can't share your excitement with others. So if that is skirting around, guilty as charged.

It's the middle level shooter who more often feels embarrassment from their peers about working on their mental game. They find it harder to break away from the grips of their peers and try something new which might benefit them.

Hopefully future comments won't be this long!

 
Historically there have been many more World Champions in sport who have not done any formal mental training than those who have. That is not disputed.  But in sport people are looking for an edge - be that physically, through equipment or otherwise.
That's all the point I have been making, thank you.

 
That's all the point I have been making, thank you.
Well you applied 1 point of this entire thread and think you are right, the original poster asked about coaching, not just the mental side. The cold hard fact is, name me 1 world champion who did or does not have a coach... In order to succeed at that level you need coaching.

 
You don't understand? Let me explain, you are making contradictory statements. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
No .....you just seem to have a problem understanding English....true story...!

I do not really know why you always come on threads that you are not interested in (by the cocky way you post) and spoil them for those of us who are interested.

It is very boring....every time.....

I cannot help it if you have no sensible input....or if you struggle with the language.....I cannot make what I have said any clearer. ......just saying

 
Thanks for a great post Henry.

That explains much more clearly for some on here who really are interested in the subject matter.

As for the hampster.....well ......he is not interested anyway....

 
Well you applied 1 point of this entire thread and think you are right, the original poster asked about coaching, not just the mental side. The cold hard fact is, name me 1 world champion who did or does not have a coach... In order to succeed at that level you need coaching.
MM it is a waste of energy....he is only wanting to disrupt the thread .....probably because he knows nothing about it :laugh:

 
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No .....you just seem to have a problem understanding English....true story...!

I do not really know why you always come on threads that you are not interested in (by the cocky way you post) and spoil them for those of us who are interested.

It is very boring....every time.....

I cannot help it if you have no sensible input....or if you struggle with the language.....I cannot make what I have said any clearer. ......just saying
Oh I see, different angle now that I have shown you up for not even being able to agree with yourself !  I understand English at least as well as you. Same old tactics, can't argue effectively so lets muddy the waters and throw accusations at the other party. I am interested in the mental side of this thread and there have even by Henry's own admission been more World champions in sport without formal mental training than not. 

 
I'm sure in the past there have been top shots that have not used 'formal' mental techniques but I bet they developed similar ways to cope under the stresses of competition. I also reckon that the number of top shots in the future who haven't used sports psychology/mental techniques will be few and far between.

Comparisons between past and present sportsmen is not massively helpful due to how sports and sportsmen have evolved over the years.....

 
Oh I see, different angle now that I have shown you up for not even being able to agree with yourself ! I understand English at least as well as you. Same old tactics, can't argue effectively so lets muddy the waters and throw accusations at the other party. I am interested in the mental side of this thread and there have even by Henry's own admission been more World champions in sport without formal mental training than not.
Whatever....you write rubbish and start the same problems each time.I have not contradicted myself at all....you just do not understand English.

Whatever....another thread that I am now leaving because of you.

Do not reply to me as I am not interested.

 
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You don't understand? Let me explain, you are making contradictory statements.  :laugh:   :laugh:   :laugh:
I have not made any contradictory statements.....you just do not understand the subject matter...or my English.

Please do not talk to me......your tone always causes trouble. Please reply to others.....but not me....I am not interested at all in anything you have to say.

Thank you in anticipation.

 

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