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Gil Ash said:
name some others??????GA
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That cannot be a serious question.

Reasons for missing a target can, mainly with newcomers, include looking back at the muzzle, but don't look to explain every miss with every shooter as that! Incredible.

Other reasons; each assuming good focus on target and only peripheral view of muzzles:

Applying the wrong lead picture, due to 'bad guess' / inexperience / mis -reading of target character.

Using incorrect speed of gun

Bad mount of gun

Misaligned / poor face on stock position

Wrong hold point

Wrong standing position

Difficult recovery of gun on second shot due to many possible reasons for gun moving on first shot

Sudden target line change, due to wind/ rabbit bounce

Distraction from various other source. (Leaf, bird aeroplane, loud person)

Trigger flinch

Poor vision of shooter

Bad decision of which target to take first on sim pair

Running out of time due to gun down tactic on quick target

Jeez, there must be twenty others but I'm bored now..

 
Will. So much anger in such a little man :smile:

Why can you not let other people have a say???

You are not a coach.......far from it....so chill out.

Gil has only just joined the forum.....so stop being so aggressive.

 
Nicola said:
Will. So much anger in such a little man :smile:

Why can you not let other people have a say???

You are not a coach.......far from it....so chill out.

Gil has only just joined the forum.....so stop being so aggressive.
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Little man? I assume that is just your assessment of me within the heady realms of shooting circles. Whatever..

A coach, no. Doesn't mean I know nothing either..

It's a forum. In the same way as Gil had his say, I merely pointed out that I don't see his logic. Not sure it was aggressive..

 
CleverSC3 said:
Little man? I assume that is just your assessment of me within the heady realms of shooting circles. Whatever..

A coach, no. Doesn't mean I know nothing either..

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Maybe I am miss remembering your height on the several occasions when we have shot together. You are smaller than I am are you not.

Maybe I am remembering wrongly and you just did not seem very tall.....as you say ...whatever...it does not really matter.

I did not say you know nothing. I am sure that you must know something. I simply said that you are not a coach. That is called a factual statement. Maybe with the content you put on here you actually wish (secretly) that you were a coach.....I don't know.

I have no idea what makes you tick.

You just came over as aggressive and short on threads where Gil has posted. Never mind if it was not intended, maybe it was wrong time of the month ......and you were in a bad mood doing accounts or something important.

I am sure you are a really really nice person....and hope you return to it soon.

xx

 
Robert

My reply was a bit of a blurt. I just felt his post was such a badly written stream of consciousness that it was odd enough for it to have been penned after a particularly good lunch!

Btw if we meet you will find that I am 6' 1''. Big heels that day Nic? :)

 
CleverSC3 said:
Robert

My reply was a bit of a blurt. I just felt his post was such a badly written stream of consciousness that it was odd enough for it to have been penned after a particularly good lunch!

Btw if we meet you will find that I am 6' 1''. Big heels that day Nic? :)
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Same size then......how the memory plays tricks..... :smile: you are not telling porkies are you. (Wink)

P.s. what are heels? And do I look like the kind of person that would wear them?

 
Hobnail boots maybe...

I can confirm that Clever and I are about the same height - although I cannot confirm that he doesn't wear a stacked heel a la Simon Cowell.

PS - I thought the p*ssed comment was a bit strong - especially to welcome a new member to the site, however - there are plenty of worse comments on this site recently.

 
I apologise for it. Although it was a genuine concern, it could have been phrased better. Turns out he is from across the pond, so he may have assumed I meant annoyed. :)

 
I can confirm that I do not have hobnail boots :smile:

Now I must concentrate on the meeting I am in.

P.s. Will. The comment on the other thread did not help either, hence we all thought you were having a bad day.

 
Gil Ash said:
our research has brought us to two conclusions.....one...all skill lies in the sub conscious brain and two....all targets are missed due to muzzle awareness at some level....either in the set up or during the shot....we see most shooters trying to get the gun ahead of the target and "not look at the gun".....for the life of me i have yet to find anyone who can tell me how to visualize "not looking at something "....and the more you try not to look at something guess what.....the more you look at it....especially when the  pressure is on....what we have found is most methods rely on gun speed for consistency....as the pressure mounts what happens to the gun speed.....most of the time it don't slow down

we have had great success with shooters at all levels emphasizing two things.....what it really looks like with the gun mounted in front of the clay and inserting a little too far in front of the clay and then adjusting the gun speed to the clays speed and when the picture is stable shoot.....to see what it really looks like place two cups on a book shelf 18 inches apart and look at one and mount the gun on the other.....looking at the left one and mounting the gun on the right one (THE LEFT TO RIGHT SIGHT PICTURE) you will find you are actually looking to the left of the muzzles and when looking at the right one and mounting the gun on the left one(THE RIGHT TO LEFT SIGHT PICTURE) you will find you will be looking ACROSS THE MUZZLES....most shooters are shocked to see what this actually looks like and after a bit of practice begin to accept the muzzle in the picture......this along with changing the way we describe the picture has amazing results.....how do we change the description.....

.well we all can agree that the gun must be in front of the target but this leads to getting the gun in front and "trying not to look at it" which cannot be visualized.....if however we look at the same picture from the point of view of looking at the bird BEHIND THE MUZZLE then we have found that the eyes have accepted the muzzle in the picture but now the eyes have a place to be....either looking to the left of the barrels at the target or across the barrels to the right.....this can be visualized in your pre shot routine and the muzzle although there seems to not draw your attention like it does when you are trying not to look at it....this descript from the perspective of a right handed shooter..... cant stress enough practicing the sight pictures with the two cups....this does make the muzzle become much less dominate .....it is as if you eyes are not surprised by the muzzle anymore.....

the other huge thing that happens is the targets all slow down and appear to go the same speed because they are all coming to you and as you adjust the gun speed to the targets speed the target floats.....cheers...
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Well, I for one would like to welcome Mr Ash.  I watched many of his videos on Youtube when I first got back in to clays.  I found his tips on gun-fit very useful and more importantly...clear.

His arrival and Nicola posting those videos, has reminded me to have my "new shooter" friend, watch the videos too...perhaps he will stop looking at the barrels then!

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hey Cleaver.....thanks and will get back to you later today...man you bring up some great points!!!!!!!....cant wait to address them....also add to your assumption .....good plan....foot position....good mount.....everything is perfect but you still miss......more later....

 
why if the plan is right and all technique is good do you still miss.....obviously if you do something like shoot the wrong  bird first or have poor foot position....that could cause a miss.....but when all is good and it looks right but you miss what has happened......what we find is that muzzle awareness varies shooter to shooter....day to day....stand to stand....as well as pair to pair and shot to shot.....when the technique is good but the target is missed what has happened????????....it could be mental and that is where everybody goes but our research shows it is not mental....the reason everybody goes to mental problem is one of two reasons.....either they dont want to take responsibility for the miss or they dont know what is causing the miss.....ck the post on Bead or no bead.....

Cleaver no offense taken.....have pretty tick skin and been short all my life......lemeno

 
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