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It's not deep, just relatively simple maths using SOHCAHTOA and Pythagoras theorem on right angled triangles.
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The target angle (as defined by governing bodies anyway) is the angle the target leaves the trap house relative to a perpendicular line bisecting the trap house and peg three (or each shooting position for OT) and has absolutely nothing to do with the targets position relative to the shooter when it is hit!
If I stand on peg 3 and the max angle target is released I am shooting at a 32.5 degree target (ignoring all possible set up tolerances here). If I then move 6 metres to the left and mount the gun at the central point on the trap house my viewing angle has added 21 degrees to the original 0 degree target line. If the same 32.5 degree LH target is released then I am now viewing a target traversing at 53 degree relative to my mount point (0 degrees target line).
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The target angle (as defined by governing bodies anyway) is the angle the target leaves the trap house relative to a perpendicular line bisecting the trap house and peg three (or each shooting position for OT) and has absolutely nothing to do with the targets position relative to the shooter when it is hit!
If I stand on peg 3 and the max angle target is released I am shooting at a 32.5 degree target (ignoring all possible set up tolerances here). If I then move 6 metres to the left and mount the gun at the central point on the trap house my viewing angle has added 21 degrees to the original 0 degree target line. If the same 32.5 degree LH target is released then I am now viewing a target traversing at 53 degree relative to my mount point (0 degrees target line).
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Greg I reckon you are right mate! But I'm a little to pissed to actually sit and work it out. Well done mate!
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This is all really interesting (yawn)......just shoot the clay....don't think it to death...!!
Very very bored now....all the info is being guessed at....it will not help your shooting at all.....and it all changes immediately if you have the wrong foot position.
You would be better talking about the different places where you put your feet in OT and UT on the different pegs.....in order to maximise your chance of hitting the target :wink:
Very very bored now....all the info is being guessed at....it will not help your shooting at all.....and it all changes immediately if you have the wrong foot position.
You would be better talking about the different places where you put your feet in OT and UT on the different pegs.....in order to maximise your chance of hitting the target :wink:
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Correct, the angle from the trap house is 32.5 degrees maximum and the angle would be unchanged from the position of the shooter if you were standing on the trap house or if you were standing in a position that was 32.5 degrees to the left of the trap house at any distance back from it. However, as soon as you change the angle of the shooter relative to the line that the clay is flying out at you will end up with a variable angle based on the distance the clay is from the trap. I'll draw it out to scale and post it to show why.
You can't just add angles, unless you are taking them all from the same point. Geometry doesn't work like that.
Correct, the angle from the trap house is 32.5 degrees maximum and the angle would be unchanged from the position of the shooter if you were standing on the trap house or if you were standing in a position that was 32.5 degrees to the left of the trap house at any distance back from it. However, as soon as you change the angle of the shooter relative to the line that the clay is flying out at you will end up with a variable angle based on the distance the clay is from the trap. I'll draw it out to scale and post it to show why.
You can't just add angles, unless you are taking them all from the same point. Geometry doesn't work like that.
Which is the question I raised back in post 17 but no one has yet answered.
On peg 1 should you actually set your stance more towards the centre of the possible target angle (left of the trap house) but mount your gun at the target crossover point i.e right of where you stance is actually pointing in the same way that a sporting shooter would set his/her stance to where he/she expects to shoot the target but with the gun hold at the point where they expect to pick up the target? Not quite the same for trap as the target can go either direction so if you do get a RH target you are already part way through your possible gun movement to the right when you see the target. Hope that's clear :ermm:
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I am not wanting to burst the whole what is more difficult back into flow again 
but the thing about ABT is you may not get such a target while on that peg in your entire round... on the other hand you could get five! I ask you what sort of game is that when you could, probably will, get an entirely different set of targets to your fellow shooters and yet try to compare scores in a competition when the bloke next pad down got five rakers and you got five straight aways ? It is.... well... daft you are comparing apples and oranges... pineapples and mangos, kiwi's and kumquats
but the thing about ABT is you may not get such a target while on that peg in your entire round... on the other hand you could get five! I ask you what sort of game is that when you could, probably will, get an entirely different set of targets to your fellow shooters and yet try to compare scores in a competition when the bloke next pad down got five rakers and you got five straight aways ? It is.... well... daft you are comparing apples and oranges... pineapples and mangos, kiwi's and kumquats
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You had better draw infinite examples then because you have to accommodate the vary many choices of shooters foot positions on each peg. (And how the foot position changes the angle of the body relative to where you are looking for the exit of the clay ...and different relative to the angle set for the clay) and how those positions change on a windy day when some shooters set up deliberately different in order to accommodate for the wind)).Good luck...that should take you the rest of the week :wink:
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Sod it, I'll just go out and shoot some sporting instead.
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The question has been answered succinctly by 40up and then very nicely indeed by DT (even I could understand the mathematics) so thank you both.
As for all this other stuff, its just not neccasary to take all that into account as the original question was quite simple.
Cheers 40up & DT
As for all this other stuff, its just not neccasary to take all that into account as the original question was quite simple.
Cheers 40up & DT
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Ok. Now I get it (you are not a trap shooter). I understand the way you have done your theory. But there is much more to perceived angles than just working it out on paper from one position on each stand as if you were square on. It does not really work like that.
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Exactly John, that my friend is ABT.I am not wanting to burst the whole what is more difficult back into flow again
PS I am usually the bloke who gets the kumquats and not the apples, oh how I wish I had not had as mant kumquats on my last line on sunday even a few ruddy oranges would have been welcome I mean you have to give a bloke a fighting chance.
Bloody kumquats
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I seem to have hit a period of always getting the low sharp right and the high sharp right......and I have even tried holding longer thinking the cam will have changed direction (fatal distraction then to the game)......but hey.....if I keep getting my bogey bird....I might get used to it.......eventuality. (It is the same bogey in UT as well) #crisisshooter.
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DT I have said it before and will say it again. Stance and gun holds may be very important to some but to others it is theoretical mush. I week in week out watch the same guys down here not using gun holds and standing like the have some sort of deformation of their body blasting targets into gravel with monotonous regularity.
Two weeks back I was shooting and a well meaning coach who scores 23 or more every round, and I do mean every round! came over and told me not to use gun holds...pas bon pour le tir monsieur. His theory you are simply making another target more difficult to make the one you dislike easier. These gun holds and stance positions are good aids for teaching people who don't know what they are doing or need help because they cannot work it out for themselves. I have yet to meet someone on a stand down here that has actually had a proper lesson from a coach the are all self taught, I am not saying this is right and proper what I will say is that the notion that to shoot successfully requires you have to adopt some sort of format used universally is guff! I regularly manage to miss using my own self taught format
