Surely, sticking targets on that are through the low sun is unforgivable? When I became briefly involved at EJ Churchill with `sorting` their target setting last year, my biggest point was to stop them throwing targets at the sun. Jeez! You know where it will be at a certain time of day! Setting it up on a cloudy day before is no excuse. Its lazy and uncaring to not consider this.If the wind is gusting, the course setter ought to tame things down a bit to assist slightly. You can pull the trigger at a perfect moment, but a long bird can move (like a bouncing bunny) and cause a miss. While `decent` target setting is important, with long birds featured where possible, any twonk can leave a course `unfair` to shoot in adverse conditions.The old `its the same for all` argument is cobblers, because other grounds will do a better job that day and your scores will be compared to those shooters when registered at the CPSA.Every course setter must ask themselves a few key questions about targets they set: Is there hardly time to shoot it? Will it just be luck to hit it? Is it a test of amazing eyesight or amazingly quick reactions? If yes to any of those, change it. We need a test of actual shooting skills, nothing else.Grimsthorpe and Grange farm may have got it wrong last weekend, from what I read on here .. Its a macho sport and people are too worried about seeming `wet` if they comment upon it.. CSC3 are you the chap holding the first indoor shoot no wind rain or sun involved or am i being two "wet"/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif