BBC: "People with a history of domestic violence to be banned from owning a firearm or shotgun in England and Wales".

[Lock Stock & Barrel]

Breaking News from the BBC: "People with a history of domestic violence to be banned from owning a firearm or shotgun in England and Wales".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23518523

 

[Angelfire]

Good idea I say.

Phil*

 

[Supercharged]

Good !!

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/224598/Domestic_violence_abuse_PartChapter12_Revised.pdf

 

[PhilS]

You would have thought that they were anyway? ?

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[ips]

I thought they already were, if not then yes sounds right as long as its proven without doubt.

 

[Lock Stock & Barrel]

To be fair, yes, you'd have reasonably thought that a background or record of domestic violence would have been one of the staple criteria in the police check when considering anyone for both a firearms and SGC

 

[Gene Holmes]

As I understand it. Everyone is entitled to own a shotgun, and it is up to the police to come up with a good reason for not granting a licence.

Surely a history of any kind of violence is reason enough.

 

[teepee1234]

Good!  Cowards and arseholes!  Should go the whole hog and put them down!

 

[Gene Holmes]

So, obviously these checks have not been carried out in the past.

Does anyone know of anybody who has been refused a licence, for anything?

 

[Les53]

I thought they already were, if not then yes sounds right as long as its proven without doubt.

+1

 

[stroudwaterboy]

Whole heartedly agree with this, dealt with some of these people in the past and I wouldn't trust trust them with a goldfish yet alone a gun!

 

[Hotshot100]

So, obviously these checks have not been carried out in the past.

Does anyone know of anybody who has been refused a licence, for anything?

I know of someone who was stopped for drink driving on a Saturday night (I believe he was 3 times over the limit) next morning the Police turned up and confiscated his guns. The reason given was that to own Firearms you must be a responsible person and responsible people don't get tanked up and then drive a car.

I wouldn't mind betting that it took him longer to get his shotgun certificate back than it did his driving licence.

Serve him right.

 

[Michael]

Have absolutely no objection to this. Like others have already said, arseholes & cowards. Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a shotgun or decent shooting folks.

 

[Jan Powell]

Good, providing the police act on evidence rather than the opinions of spurned partners or others with an axe to grind.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

i would call BS on this unless domestic violence is a convict-able/punishable crime and the person in question has been so convicted.  Leaving the decision of the guilt of a party, and the imposition of "punishments",  to a mere policeman is bad policy in the extreme.  Just like the drunk driver - a court action should have been necessary to justify the confiscation.  Anything less is police state bullsh*t

 

[ehb102]

Breaking News from the BBC: "People with a history of domestic violence to be banned from owning a firearm or shotgun in England and Wales".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23518523

Good.

The definition of domestic violence as used by the Government and the CPS is ""any incident of threatening behaviour, violence or abuse [psychological, physical, sexual, financial or emotional] between adults who are or have been intimate partners or family members, regardless of gender or sexuality." Why is it important that such a full definition is used rather than just people who have committed actual bodily harm? Because nearly all abusers escalate. Practically, this will actually mean next to nothing because to have a "history" you will have to be on record and that means not only reporting to the police but them taking action. How would you prove that someone has a been emotionally abusing you to the police? I don't have an answer to that. I see this as a hopeful gesture.

 

[Santa2512]

Re the drink driving, i was told at my interview, that this is an automatic revocation if more than a couple of points over the limt

Mart

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Domestic violence here is I suppose well defined too tho simple assault, no contact required, is a felony, a convictable offense.  My obvious objection is that there is no stipulation that the courts be involved in the imposition of punishments.  I do not care for the police to have that kind of tacit power.  Even with the drunk driver - no court conviction, no punishment.  If it is not a court determined punishable instance of criminal behavior there should be no punishment.

 

[PhilS]

Domestic violence here is I suppose well defined too tho simple assault, no contact required, is a felony, a convictable offense.  My obvious objection is that there is no stipulation that the courts be involved in the imposition of punishments.  I do not care for the police to have that kind of tacit power.  Even with the drunk driver - no court conviction, no punishment.  If it is not a court determined punishable instance of criminal behavior there should be no punishment.

Over here DUI is an indictable offence - it will result in a conviction - it is an offence of strict liability - over the limit = convicted, no question.

With domestic violence, if the police have repeated complaints which show a pattern then this is sufficient evidence to refuse an SGC.  Quite rightly in my opinion.