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I shot at Coley’s yesterday, had my best score ever with my first time getting in to the 70’s. Would have been better but couldn’t hit the second bird on the last stand🙄I think I was giving it too much lead when non was required. Also my first registered shoot since changing cartridges from Hull Superfast to Fiocchi Fblack👍🏻

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Thought I would kick off a new page for the new era. I broke my 15 week break today at Holland and Holland, who are now doing a Challenge 100 target shoot. This one runs to 20th April and they wi

Don't understand all this garbage on FB and here about selection shoots and majors being un-registered, or not counting to your averages. They may be, and rightly so, tougher than your average shoot,

Well, 4 of us shot the Holland and Holland Challenge shoot.  Never been there before so it was lovely to see such a beautiful place, lovely grounds, nice staff and Will!  Now, Will did warn me about s

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Westfield this weekend for the England selection shoot and then Holland and Holland on Tuesday for the challenge shoot. I think there's space on our squad if anyone would like to shoot it? We're on at 11:30 on Tuesday 13th.

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24 minutes ago, Johnyh said:

I shot at Coley’s yesterday, had my best score ever with my first time getting in to the 70’s. Would have been better but couldn’t hit the second bird on the last stand🙄I think I was giving it too much lead when non was required. Also my first registered shoot since changing cartridges from Hull Superfast to Fiocchi Fblack👍🏻

Nice one John(ny)... and welcome to the forum nut house!

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8 minutes ago, Doug Pinnegar said:

Westfield this weekend for the England selection shoot and then Holland and Holland on Tuesday for the challenge shoot. I think there's space on our squad if anyone would like to shoot it? We're on at 11:30 on Tuesday 13th.

I would join you at H and H Doug. I’d like to shoot it again without blazing sun. And I got lucky in their weekly draw so have prizes to collect!

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2 hours ago, Doug Pinnegar said:

Westfield this weekend for the England selection shoot and then Holland and Holland on Tuesday for the challenge shoot. I think there's space on our squad if anyone would like to shoot it? We're on at 11:30 on Tuesday 13th.

We are there Tuesday but at 1.45, May see you there. Shoot well. 

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On 4/8/2021 at 9:41 AM, Johnyh said:

I shot at Coley’s yesterday, had my best score ever with my first time getting in to the 70’s. Would have been better but couldn’t hit the second bird on the last stand🙄I think I was giving it too much lead when non was required. Also my first registered shoot since changing cartridges from Hull Superfast to Fiocchi Fblack👍🏻

You shot well John. I was the token old guy, right behind you in the squad and you proved the rule that to build a good score you need to capitalise on the steadier targets - which is exactly what you did.

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Oxfordshire today, it’s a smaller ground than most and looked and remained very busy, long gone the days of 20/30 entries here. On at 12.40 no not chilly as feared but it rained from stand 5 so we all got a bit damp. Although in a squad of four we never really caught up with the full squad in front so no awaiting around getting too wet. Had a day of getting more right than wrong, like all I could claim “a few got away” however it was also a fair few hit that maybe on other days I get it wrong which means I don’t. For a bit of a treat after last stand borrowed a chums ( cleaned ) K80 SuperSport which at 32” is a lot different from the MX, am of the opinion that those K80s break clays for fun, handled very well. 
After a tea, in a real mug, but afraid no cake and no not a diet they had sold out☹️ despite the rain & drizzle it was a good day out and dare I say it the overall atmosphere was more jovial than some places Ive shot at. 

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1 hour ago, GlawsterCodger said:

Oxfordshire today, it’s a smaller ground than most and looked and remained very busy, long gone the days of 20/30 entries here. On at 12.40 no not chilly as feared but it rained from stand 5 so we all got a bit damp. Although in a squad of four we never really caught up with the full squad in front so no awaiting around getting too wet. Had a day of getting more right than wrong, like all I could claim “a few got away” however it was also a fair few hit that maybe on other days I get it wrong which means I don’t. For a bit of a treat after last stand borrowed a chums ( cleaned ) K80 SuperSport which at 32” is a lot different from the MX, am of the opinion that those K80s break clays for fun, handled very well. 
After a tea, in a real mug, but afraid no cake and no not a diet they had sold out☹️ despite the rain & drizzle it was a good day out and dare I say it the overall atmosphere was more jovial than some places Ive shot at. 

I too attended. Would be lovely to see 12 stands and one tougher stand thrown in but most enjoyable morning, meaning we missed the rain. Most put out by seeing the last sausage roll sold. Can heartily recommend the sandwich with granary bread though.

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20 hours ago, Westward said:

You shot well John. I was the token old guy, right behind you in the squad and you proved the rule that to build a good score you need to capitalise on the steadier targets - which is exactly what you did.

“Token old guy”??? Think average age was pensionable (myself inc) in most squads 😂

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19 hours ago, Will Hewland said:

I too attended. Would be lovely to see 12 stands and one tougher stand thrown in but most enjoyable morning, meaning we missed the rain. Most put out by seeing the last sausage roll sold. Can heartily recommend the sandwich with granary bread though.

Do agree that 12 stands would be good, am sure there are plans afoot there to open up more land, as you shot the place I believe it’s the area you saw in front of the last registered stand, think the two lockdowns curtailed anything in 2020, there have been improvements to the existing ground since last visited. Also agree that the lass there does make some lovely food 😋😋

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On 4/9/2021 at 5:31 PM, Westward said:

You shot well John. I was the token old guy, right behind you in the squad and you proved the rule that to build a good score you need to capitalise on the steadier targets - which is exactly what you did.

Thanks John, the question is can I keep it going or was it a fluke? I suppose I will find out next time🙂

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20 hours ago, GlawsterCodger said:

“Token old guy”??? Think average age was pensionable (myself inc) in most squads 😂

Easy for you to say Rich.  I went for my 2nd Covid jab yesterday. Looking at the state of most of the other folks of my age queuing at the health centre I feel really lucky to be able to shoot a 100 bird course without needing medical intervention. 😲 

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I shot Westfield over the weekend for the first of the England selection shoots. It was certainly a firmer shoot but everything was hittable. A few head scratchers that you only work out after you've shot it and walk 50m away to realise there was a twist to the clay that you couldn't easily see from the cage. Classic Lovatt/Westfield!

 

Looking at the basic average score from each class the scores were down below the CPSA cutoffs for each class, but that should surely be the case for a team selection shoot?

 

  • C Class. Average 55.6% - CPSA class range 70.77-0
  • B Class. Average 64.4% - CPSA class range 78.13 - 70.78
  • A Class. Average 72.8% - CPSA class range 84.77 - 78.14
  • AA Class. Average 77.6% - CPSA class range 88.90 - 84.78
  • AAA Class. Average 82.9% - CPSA class range 100-88.91

 

My thoughts: 

Really enjoyable (after the first 5 stands). Felt the start was a bit firm which possibly broke people? Targets were of a high standard, enjoyable and left you questioning your reads most times.

Would certainly shoot that sort of shoot again but maybe an approach to the selection shoots could be have them un-registered? Can still go on to the CPSA site but have them sit outside of your averages. Possibly something to do for the majors as well? 

There is no point having a standard shoot where we'd have 15-20 people on 94+ for a selection shoot based on points difference. 

 

EDIT: I should say that I shot 77/100, which is 6 below my average (in A class). I was pleased with that, especially as that score was an average AA score. No complaints from me :)

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Don't understand all this garbage on FB and here about selection shoots and majors being un-registered, or not counting to your averages. They may be, and rightly so, tougher than your average shoot, but if you shoot 10% below your raw average then it doesn't count anyway. I don't see the issue, walk away and forget about it.

I can quite easily shoot 10% below my average on an ordinary dolly up registered shoot anyway.😄

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2 hours ago, Doug Pinnegar said:

I shot Westfield over the weekend for the first of the England selection shoots. It was certainly a firmer shoot but everything was hittable. A few head scratchers that you only work out after you've shot it and walk 50m away to realise there was a twist to the clay that you couldn't easily see from the cage. Classic Lovatt/Westfield!

 

Looking at the basic average score from each class the scores were down below the CPSA cutoffs for each class, but that should surely be the case for a team selection shoot?

 

  • C Class. Average 55.6% - CPSA class range 70.77-0
  • B Class. Average 64.4% - CPSA class range 78.13 - 70.78
  • A Class. Average 72.8% - CPSA class range 84.77 - 78.14
  • AA Class. Average 77.6% - CPSA class range 88.90 - 84.78
  • AAA Class. Average 82.9% - CPSA class range 100-88.91

 

My thoughts: 

Really enjoyable (after the first 5 stands). Felt the start was a bit firm which possibly broke people? Targets were of a high standard, enjoyable and left you questioning your reads most times.

Would certainly shoot that sort of shoot again but maybe an approach to the selection shoots could be have them un-registered? Can still go on to the CPSA site but have them sit outside of your averages. Possibly something to do for the majors as well? 

There is no point having a standard shoot where we'd have 15-20 people on 94+ for a selection shoot based on points difference. 

 

EDIT: I should say that I shot 77/100, which is 6 below my average (in A class). I was pleased with that, especially as that score was an average AA score. No complaints from me :)

Firstly no I did not shoot this event, secondly Im C Class and this shoot was the first England Team Selection Shoot, and the West Midlands Area English Sporting Championship, add then its at Westfield and in April too boot, all the ingredients (perfect storm?) for it being, as MrLovatt described this very morn as being "a tad too hard" Now the shooters all competing for an England place will have expected nowt else (if it was the last selection shoot then things would have been different Im sure), those for the WM Area much the same, but for the vast majority of As, the Bs and Cs that booked in you must have expected a very very tough day? 

Me, as mentioned Im jobbing along C class, so the England bit is pie in sky as is the WM Area Champs, I don't possess the all round skill set for such, nor is one likely to, so no I won't be flogging myself to "improve" as is a common retort. 

It must be though a devils job getting any shoot right for the 100+ differing opinions, this shoot being described as "too hard" some, due to a shot or two having a blinding day as being "too soft", course setting is not a job Id want nor do I have the rhino hard skin for.

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1 hour ago, GlawsterCodger said:

... but for the vast majority of As, the Bs and Cs that booked in you must have expected a very very tough day? 

 

 

... I never shot Westfield either. But I am shooting the next selection shoot and SW champs at Barbury at the end of the month, and will be expecting an equally tough test.

Hopefully it will be an insight to the up coming English Open there.

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3 hours ago, tiptop said:

... I never shot Westfield either. But I am shooting the next selection shoot and SW champs at Barbury at the end of the month, and will be expecting an equally tough test.

Hopefully it will be an insight to the up coming English Open there.

Exactly, shooting the selection shoot there should give a great insight and set expectations for the Open.

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Well i cant comment on the difficulty of the targets at Westfield(i wasn't there) i can only say bloody well shot miles machin a A class county shot joint hg at a England selection 👏👏👏.

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On 3/31/2021 at 5:00 PM, donna said:

Willinghurst for us today.  

Just noticed that Willinghurst is under new management they are open for business and they have three start times (on Friday:) 9:30, 11:45 & 14:00. Does anyone know how that works? is it squadded?

for info - Fixtures | JBD Sporting

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12 minutes ago, Martinj said:

 

Just noticed that Willinghurst is under new management they are open for business and they have three start times (on Friday:) 9:30, 11:45 & 14:00. Does anyone know how that works? is it squadded?

for info - Fixtures | JBD Sporting

They’ve had to close for the time being, not too sure of the reasons so don’t want to say anything but they put a post on FB stating that all scheduled dates are on hold and will keep everyone updated with any changes. Hope that helps!

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I have no idea what is going on but JBD just sold a load of traps pretty cheap ...

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Martinj
On 4/12/2021 at 8:57 PM, donna said:

They’ve had to close for the time being, not too sure of the reasons so don’t want to say anything but they put a post on FB stating that all scheduled dates are on hold and will keep everyone updated with any changes. Hope that helps!

 

On 4/12/2021 at 9:01 PM, schmokinn said:

I have no idea what is going on but JBD just sold a load of traps pretty cheap ...

Haha so you are suggesting I check before turning up on Friday? I did ring JBD and the lady (Lauren)said that there will be no more shoots under the JBD name. RIP

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On 4/12/2021 at 3:23 PM, tiptop said:

... I never shot Westfield either. But I am shooting the next selection shoot and SW champs at Barbury at the end of the month, and will be expecting an equally tough test.

Hopefully it will be an insight to the up coming English Open there.

Left peg permitting I too will joining you (but you know that as you booked one in), personally have always found any competition shoot at Barbury a stiffer than most ask and am not expecting anything less for these two either, that said am only really "competing" with others in my class and all in same boat there.

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Well, 4 of us shot the Holland and Holland Challenge shoot.  Never been there before so it was lovely to see such a beautiful place, lovely grounds, nice staff and Will!  Now, Will did warn me about stand 7, saying I would struggle to see the first target as even though we were on a platform there was a bloody bush right where you wanted to shoot and that I would be lucky to see it.  Started great on stand 1 dropping first rabbit out then straighten the rest.  Got to stand 2, first one in and it was a l-r just skimming the tree line, I could just about see it when out the cage but when I got into shoot I saw it for literally a second before it disappeared behind the trees.  Disappointed to only come away with 2/8 as I struggled to also see the green going away.  Stand 3 was no better, again a l-r that was so low, nobody in my squad saw it properly.  I ended up having to shoot in the air just to get the second target on report.  Again, a green target just flopping away and I was so upset about not seeing the first target I only hit 3 of the going away so 5 away.  I do not mind getting a loss if I’ve had a decent go at the target and the target beat me but to have 4 zeros when you can’t even see them because your short is bad course setting.  Stand 4 a green going away i could hardly see over the hedge with a crow as second target.  By this time I was loosing the will to live!  I decided to use the rest of the shoot as a “training” session, so got my head down, changed my glasses to the 62CHCP which were brilliant, I could see the green targets if they weren’t behind a bush!  Straighten stand 5, dropped 1 on stand 6 then got to the dreaded stand 7.  As Will suggested, I stood right in the left hand corner but even then it was a struggle.  I think I’ve taken most of the bush out with my shot and I haven’t a clue how I done it but ended up only dropping 1 🤗🤗 dropped a few of the going away as it was straight in the sun on next stand but didn’t end up too bad.  Finished on a 71 with a 2 and a 3.  Could have been so much better though.  I just wish the course setters would bear in mind that we are not all tall. I don’t know how many times it’s been mentioned on here before but surely it must be common sense?  Could they not go round with a pole that’s let’s say 4’6” or something and crouch down so their eye level is the same as ours?   I’m 4’11” and really struggled today but made the most of it, as I say lovely ground, really nice hot chocolate, toilets to die for and it was great to see Jonathan Ward who I’ve not seen for a long time.  

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Bebo

We did a corporate shoot for Clients at H&H a couple of years ago.  Fantastic facilities.

 

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