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Sigh. Went to court Farm for the first time in almost 3 years. I had set pretty low expectations for the place and it failed to live up to them. 11 stands with two stands of following pairs from a single trap. A prevailing trend of very edgey crossers and quartering, with many stands having targets from the next stand confusing your vision. The grass was 10” tall everywhere, even in the stands. How they get a reasonable turnout for £43 I don’t know. Loads of non cpsa shooters I think. It certainly feels like a straw baler. Most shoots have moved on so far from this 80’s standard. 
 

In terms of actual shooting, I was happy enough with how I was dealing with the very fiddly targets, but my last stand killed me as I found I was running out of room to shoot a white crosser, stopping the gun instead of hitting the cage. My fault really, should have tackled it earlier, but it’s not usually an issue elsewhere. Finished on 86.

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I had a good day today.  The weather was pleasant and I went to Barrow, just one shoot.  I had Dora as my lovely gunsmith got her back to me.   Forgotten what it’s like not having to dig the cartridge out with my penknife.  A mixture of targets and I shot well winning ladies on 86/100.  Given that I’ve found every shoot I’ve done a real strain for such a long time, it was a good feeling.   Someone will tell me it was an easy shoot no doubt but I haven’t found ANY shoot easy so jog on.  

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18 hours ago, Sian said:

I had a good day today.  The weather was pleasant and I went to Barrow, just one shoot.  I had Dora as my lovely gunsmith got her back to me.   Forgotten what it’s like not having to dig the cartridge out with my penknife.  A mixture of targets and I shot well winning ladies on 86/100.  Given that I’ve found every shoot I’ve done a real strain for such a long time, it was a good feeling.   Someone will tell me it was an easy shoot no doubt but I haven’t found ANY shoot easy so jog on.  

Well done Sian, maybe getting Dora back has give you the extra confidence you needed.  Keep it up.

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18 hours ago, Sian said:

I had a good day today.  The weather was pleasant and I went to Barrow, just one shoot.  I had Dora as my lovely gunsmith got her back to me.   Forgotten what it’s like not having to dig the cartridge out with my penknife.  A mixture of targets and I shot well winning ladies on 86/100.  Given that I’ve found every shoot I’ve done a real strain for such a long time, it was a good feeling.   Someone will tell me it was an easy shoot no doubt but I haven’t found ANY shoot easy so jog on.  

Well done Sian Good to read you had a good day and feel better about your shooting :thumbsup:

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Churchill's yesterday. I would describe the course as similar to a Dime bar - hard in the middle.

First five stands the only thing that caused me any real problem was the mini from the platform, couldn't find it at all. Stand 6 the wheels fell off. My current quartering target bogey struck and I also managed to overlead the second target massively as well - dropped the first two pairs! Was really peed off with myself as they weren't particularly hard.  Then a tricky sim pair that could have been a disaster, but managed at least to get a 6/10. Then the complete meltdown hit on Stand 8 - quickish, long low crosser that wasn't easiest to see (I hit one) and a long rabbit along a bank (I hit none). Last four stands normality resumed and I think it was 5 dropped on those all together. Finished on 72.

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36 minutes ago, Bebo said:

Churchill's yesterday. I would describe the course as similar to a Dime bar - hard in the middle.

First five stands the only thing that caused me any real problem was the mini from the platform, couldn't find it at all. Stand 6 the wheels fell off. My current quartering target bogey struck and I also managed to overlead the second target massively as well - dropped the first two pairs! Was really peed off with myself as they weren't particularly hard.  Then a tricky sim pair that could have been a disaster, but managed at least to get a 6/10. Then the complete meltdown hit on Stand 8 - quickish, long low crosser that wasn't easiest to see (I hit one) and a long rabbit along a bank (I hit none). Last four stands normality resumed and I think it was 5 dropped on those all together. Finished on 72.

Yes it was a tricky course. I had a complete brain fade moment and never hit the away target on stand 2! When I stood back and watched others I realised it was pretty much just a straight-at-it job which I had misread badly being first up. So my card was kind of over right there. But like you, stand 8 was a horror show, long distance, hard to see. Further killed me. Finished on 83. Last shoot there was a bit too easy and they overcorrected a bit on this one I feel. Usual case of course setters never being subtle when they change things. 

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26 minutes ago, Will Hewland said:

Yes it was a tricky course. I had a complete brain fade moment and never hit the away target on stand 2! When I stood back and watched others I realised it was pretty much just a straight-at-it job which I had misread badly being first up. So my card was kind of over right there. But like you, stand 8 was a horror show, long distance, hard to see. Further killed me. Finished on 83. Last shoot there was a bit too easy and they overcorrected a bit on this one I feel. Usual case of course setters never being subtle when they change things. 

I only dropped one target on Stand 2.  I saw lead on that going away target.  Not huge, but a definite gap.  Suppose it depends on gun speed.

The mini on the platform.  Did that need much?  I think I was giving it too much as I was taking it fairly late on.  Given another go I'd probably attack it a bit earlier.

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3 minutes ago, Bebo said:

I only dropped one target on Stand 2.  I saw lead on that going away target.  Not huge, but a definite gap.  Suppose it depends on gun speed.

The mini on the platform.  Did that need much?  I think I was giving it too much as I was taking it fairly late on.  Given another go I'd probably attack it a bit earlier.

I didn’t miss the mini. As always with them, it’s never a real gap. Just went past it’s right hand edge and quite late on. 

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2 minutes ago, Will Hewland said:

I didn’t miss the mini. As always with them, it’s never a real gap. Just went past it’s right hand edge and quite late on. 

Definitely too much then.  I started just in front and then kept extending.  Idiot

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5 hours ago, Bebo said:

Definitely too much then.  I started just in front and then kept extending.  Idiot

It`s harder to dial back on stuff tho` isn`t it ...

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On 10/22/2021 at 1:09 PM, Will Hewland said:

Yes it was a tricky course. I had a complete brain fade moment and never hit the away target on stand 2! When I stood back and watched others I realised it was pretty much just a straight-at-it job which I had misread badly being first up. So my card was kind of over right there. But like you, stand 8 was a horror show, long distance, hard to see. Further killed me. Finished on 83. Last shoot there was a bit too easy and they overcorrected a bit on this one I feel. Usual case of course setters never being subtle when they change things. 

40p a clay? Wish EJC were that cheap for practice.. Really adds up on claymate. I get that the ground must recoup costs for their high overheads, so 45p for clays you shoot at isn’t mental, but somehow all the clays you use to see what’s on shouldn’t be that dear. I remember A1 shooting ground 12 years ago used to be £30 for 100 clays, but the card had 120 on it so you could see a pair at each stand. 

 

So to sum up its to easy to hard and to expensive !!

 

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2 minutes ago, diver682 said:

40p a clay? Wish EJC were that cheap for practice.. Really adds up on claymate. I get that the ground must recoup costs for their high overheads, so 45p for clays you shoot at isn’t mental, but somehow all the clays you use to see what’s on shouldn’t be that dear. I remember A1 shooting ground 12 years ago used to be £30 for 100 clays, but the card had 120 on it so you could see a pair at each stand. 

 

So to sum up its to easy to hard and to expensive !!

 

Ha ha. Last two shoots have been different. Was very good for several before those and likely to return to normal I expect. Reg shoot entry prices are about normal for the south. 

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Busy weekend, as Tony didn’t have to work Saturday we went to Owls, no big score but I enjoyed the course and company and I did some stands well.    Today was an early start off to Grange Farm which took me 21/4 hrs to drive there.   Very enjoyable and in parts quite tricky. Again I felt I did well on some stands and wasn’t disappointed with my score.   Was pleasantly surprised to pick up an envelope for Tony from about 3 yrs ago.    On to Honesberie which was tricky also but again very enjoyable. No big score but I did shoot some stands very well that were hard.    Stupidly I dropped 6/10 on a sim going away pair just not being steady and a bit blurry for me near the end of the day and knackered.   Picked up two envelopes from there, one each from 2020.   Grand total of £165 collected, result.   

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Finally back shooting registered following the whole Covid thing! I've shot a couple of times at a local farm the past few months but otherwise been inactive.

So, Gatton on Sunday just gone - 90. What you expect from Horne, everything there to be infinitely hit and if you miss, it's definitely you as opposed to the difficulty in targets! A decent return to action. 

Today - AGL. A really steady course IMO. Decent variety of targets and a great squad. Enjoyed the trip (ignoring the traffic) and settled into the shoot quite well with a few straights. For some reason my inability to read the battue on stand 5 cost me dearly as I dropped all 4, as well as two of the other singles given my frustration. 2/8 on that stand not ideal! 

Managed to regain composure afterwards, dropping 3 across the remaining 7 stands to finish on 87. 

Horne again Sunday, followed by EJ on Thursday next week.

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Went to EJC for the Compak yesterday.  Enjoyed my squad and the course. We did have a few issues with the voice release system on two of our layouts which was extremely frustrating and does absolutely nothing for your concentration.  It happened when I shot the big Compak comp there.  Obviously they are temperamental which I can relate to.

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Envelope to be collected from the shoot at Horne yesterday which is nice. Felt like I shot terribly in places too, which shows you just never know. 

Looking forward to Churchills this week and also strongly considering the two hour drive up to Kibworth on Friday too - shows the bug is well and truly back! That’d make 5 reg in ~2 weeks since getting back on the clays. 

Feels like a good time (considering my consistency in scores at the moment) to get a little coaching refinement in to find those next couple of clays but unfortunately zero availability has put paid to that until next year. 

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Churchill's today for me.  I found it a tough shoot. Three sim pairs all of which I struggled with to differing degrees.  Few other targets that I couldn't find consistently either.  Overall a pretty poor performance.

 

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1 hour ago, Bebo said:

Churchill's today for me.  I found it a tough shoot. Three sim pairs all of which I struggled with to differing degrees.  Few other targets that I couldn't find consistently either.  Overall a pretty poor performance.

 

I also found it testing as no easy stands really. Dropped about 5 that felt a bit sloppy, but that is what happens when it’s testing. Finished 86, could have been worse. 
 

Only one stand I thought was a bit unfair, stand 6, the sim pair of R-L. Both good targets, would have been fine O/R. If you shot the lower one first, then the high looper was diving down against the bank and almost invisible. If you shot that first, the lower crosser was disappearing stage left. Probably OK if you could really see and shoot quickly.

HG was 91, from the only AA shooter to straight stand 6..

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Churchill’s for me too - had a rubbish day by all accounts.

Arrived to realise I’ve lost my ear moulds, assume left them at Horne over the weekend. So spent the shoot fiddling with my ears and dealing with a ringing sensation in the right after every shot. Not ideal.

Actually shot so far under my average being aggravated I think it’ll be struck off as beyond 10%. [edit - way beyond]

Also means I will be skipping tomorrow and the weekend shoots until I get some ears sorted - likely to go for CFGs this time. Meh! 

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EJC for me too, loved my squad and happy it didn’t rain.   I lost a lot of orange today frustration central and scored nothing on the driven.  Stand 6 I did okay with but the two I lost were in the dark.   If they provide a Hoover I’ll go hoover up the orange bits so I don’t lose the target in the background 😂

 

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18 hours ago, Bebo said:

Churchill's today for me.  I found it a tough shoot. Three sim pairs all of which I struggled with to differing degrees.  Few other targets that I couldn't find consistently either.  Overall a pretty poor performance.

 

Looks like the shoot was set within the classification cut offs for each class

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37 minutes ago, philmoss said:

Looks like the shoot was set within the classification cut offs for each class

Stick to target setting Phil, you're much better at it than you are at statistics.

Average score in B was 67.79 (that's a C class score).  Average score in A was 77.05 (that's a B class score). Average score in AA was 84 (that's an A class score).

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I dont do statistics......🙂🙃

I like to provide a enjoyable set of targets to keep people wanting to improve & be realistic in doing so !.......

Something for all levels & abilities where you wont be like a fish out of water at the bigger events & championships, thats my aim 😇

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To late to worry about statistics, averages, and classification cut offs, as the time for the next classification cut off was 31st Oct.

 

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5 hours ago, philmoss said:

Looks like the shoot was set within the classification cut offs for each class

In fact if you look at A and B class, there were actually more people that scored below their class cut off than actually scored within their class band. I would normally expect approx 70-80% of AA/A/B class shooters to shoot within their class band , 10-15% to shoot above it, and 10-15% below it. The scores need to fit in a bell curve. If the top scorer in each classification band is shooting within the band, then nobody will ever move up a classification, the only options are stay the same, or move down.

As a easy guide, look at the number of shooters that fall outside their class on the day. If there's more shooting below their classification cut off than above it then the shoot is set too hard, if there's more shooting above the cut off than below, then it's too easy.

 

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