TRINITY 55 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) Hi guys , just a bit of light discussion during lockdown. I am a novice in shooting terms compared to the majority of you. Got into DTL recently and very early on an experienced shooter pointed something out to me. He told me it was good manners and etiquette not to throw the cartridge into the bin before the next shooter to your right has taken the shot. I have no problem with this and I totally agree with the principal. However I have now shot at a few grounds and they all place the empty bucket to your right. Surely it would be much better if the bucket was on the left. It would solve this issue. I am not at a standard where someone lobbing their empties into the bucket worries me. But I have seen some shooters who get a bit wound up if it happens to them. Putting the bucket to the left 'up stream ' would solve the problem as to what some class as inconsiderate practice. Edited March 9 by TRINITY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwpzx9r 1,518 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Honestly I just don't bother anymore. You have taken your shot and you empty your gun you can quite rightly put your fired cartridges into the waste bin provided. The person about to take their shot should not be affected by that, provided you do it in a sensible way. I have seen clots who insist on throwing their empties in with such aggression and force they make a din and also sometimes bounce out of the bin. I watched a French shooter warned by the referee because of the manner in which he was throwing his empties away... there are arseholes out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big G 8 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Used cartridges thrown into some types of bin can set the acoustic release off as they rattle about. Most right handed people will remove spent cartridges with their right hand, so bin on the right is fairly normal. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westley 3,582 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I prefer the bin on my right, I find it catches more spent cartridges from my right handed auto ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
balltrap 1,337 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I shot the English open ABT at Bywell one year and the person before me throw his cases in the bin when I was about to call, this set the target off and did cost me a few loses. Tosser with no manners. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les53 3,133 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 6 hours ago, balltrap said: I shot the English open ABT at Bywell one year and the person before me throw his cases in the bin when I was about to call, this set the target off and did cost me a few loses. Tosser with no manners. Agree with that. Always best to wait. 👍 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRINITY 55 Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 10 hours ago, Big G said: Used cartridges thrown into some types of bin can set the acoustic release off as they rattle about. Most right handed people will remove spent cartridges with their right hand, so bin on the right is fairly normal. Am I doing it wrong then. I am right handed after I have shot my right hand is around the stock . My right thumb opens the the gun and my right hand continues to support the broken gun. My left hand removes the cartridges. If I have it wrong fair enough. But I am sure the spent case is removed with my left hand. If that is the case would then be easier to place them to the left away from the next shooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robden 76 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 I have found that if I'm aware of what the previous shooter is doing, I'm not concentrating and usually miss. TBH I can concentrate and still miss. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les53 3,133 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 37 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Am I doing it wrong then. I am right handed after I have shot my right hand is around the stock . My right thumb opens the the gun and my right hand continues to support the broken gun. My left hand removes the cartridges. If I have it wrong fair enough. But I am sure the spent case is removed with my left hand. If that is the case would then be easier to place them to the left away from the next shooter It’s kinda difficult to explain how it’s done really. I’m right handed and flip the lever with my right hand. But I catch the shells in my right hand as well. Basically your left hand supports and pulls down the tubes once the gun starts to open. You need to watch a few guys doing it. Most of us do it the same way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRINITY 55 Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Les53 said: It’s kinda difficult to explain how it’s done really. I’m right handed and flip the lever with my right hand. But I catch the shells in my right hand as well. Basically your left hand supports and pulls down the tubes once the gun starts to open. You need to watch a few guys doing it. Most of us do it the same way. Les it's possible I may do the same. Its months since we shot and hard to remember exactly. Like another poster has said catching the empties is something you dont even think about or concentrate on it's just a natural thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les53 3,133 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 50 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Les it's possible I may do the same. Its months since we shot and hard to remember exactly. Like another poster has said catching the empties is something you dont even think about or concentrate on it's just a natural thing. Yep it just becomes part of a routine, done unconsciously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ips 9,775 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 It's bad form for all the reasons stated above, catch em hold em wait until next shooter has shot then bin them. As an aside and total digression the thing that put me off the most during an OT comp even more than empties being thrown into the bin was the shooter before me who gave up, literally gave up after ten targets and just called for target without even raising the gun.....very bad form everyone that witnessed it was of the same impression however nobody could find anything in the rules that said you had to shoot.....go figure......I digress 🤣 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robden 76 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 20 hours ago, TRINITY said: Les it's possible I may do the same. Its months since we shot and hard to remember exactly. Like another poster has said catching the empties is something you dont even think about or concentrate on it's just a natural thing. I can't remember where the bullet things go. 😐 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les53 3,133 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 36 minutes ago, Robden said: I can't remember where the bullet things go. 😐 What!!??😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRINITY 55 Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 A couple of times I have shot starting on peg 5. this makes you the last to shoot and sometimes I have been put off by the person who started off on peg1 especially on the last shot of the line. I find it irritating when they are inpatient after they have finished shooting and just shuffle and mess around . Then again in all fairness I find the majority still respect the others are still waiting to shoot. I have also shot a line of ball trap with a line of 6 . I got a bit fed up of the bloke stood right behind me who couldn't wait to get onto my peg. He seemed to be getting as close to me as he could and was never still. It was only a practice round so I let it pass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paul b 794 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 The strangest most annoying thing ive come across was at a ot comp squaded with a gang who normally shoot dtl .first five no problem till i start the second five and something isnt right?so after another three the penny drops!! All the mics have moved (OT rules state you cant move the mics) so now im thinking well whoever's doing it doesnt know the rule so ill put them back and not make a fuss.Now back to the fourth go round and they are back to the wrong position again🙈.So after i asked them to own up and one said ho we always move em in dtl. The ref never noticed mics moving but the bugger managed to notice my misses😲 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les53 3,133 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, TRINITY said: A couple of times I have shot starting on peg 5. this makes you the last to shoot and sometimes I have been put off by the person who started off on peg1 especially on the last shot of the line. I find it irritating when they are inpatient after they have finished shooting and just shuffle and mess around . Then again in all fairness I find the majority still respect the others are still waiting to shoot. I have also shot a line of ball trap with a line of 6 . I got a bit fed up of the bloke stood right behind me who couldn't wait to get onto my peg. He seemed to be getting as close to me as he could and was never still. It was only a practice round so I let it pass. In any fast trap (ABT, OT, UT), you never move until your next peg is clear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paul b 794 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Les53 said: In any fast trap (ABT, OT, UT), you never move until your next peg is clear. You move between pegs when the next peg has shot,not when they have moved,they have to vacate as soon as there next peg has shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les53 3,133 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 34 minutes ago, paul b said: You move between pegs when the next peg has shot,not when they have moved,they have to vacate as soon as there next peg has shot. Sorry Paul, yeah that’s what I meant, I worded it badly! 😖😂 It’s me age! 😂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wonko the Sane 3,540 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Screw the bins. Ejectors were invented so we don't have to bother with the empties. Overpaid range personnel and outrageous entry fees can take care of that later. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwpzx9r 1,518 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 25 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: Screw the bins. Ejectors were invented so we don't have to bother with the empties. Overpaid range personnel and outrageous entry fees can take care of that later. Hey Charlie there is a limit though... I was doing some practice when a shooter using a semi was wizzing his empties past my nose, I was on five he was on two ! Outrageous ban them🤣 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westley 3,582 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 44 minutes ago, jwpzx9r said: Hey Charlie there is a limit though... I was doing some practice when a shooter using a semi was wizzing his empties past my nose, I was on five he was on two ! Outrageous ban them🤣 Must have needed a clean then, mine normally does that from peg ONE ! 🙄 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Spavo 447 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 3/10/2021 at 11:25 AM, Les53 said: Yep it just becomes part of a routine, done unconsciously. F*ck me, that's clever if you can do it when your not awake?! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
antse7en 249 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Is this really a thing? Blimey glad I don’t shoot DTL if putting your cartridges in the bin is enough to trigger a comment. 🤷🏻♂️🙈 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robden 76 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 hours ago, antse7en said: Is this really a thing? Blimey glad I don’t shoot DTL if putting your cartridges in the bin is enough to trigger a comment. 🤷🏻♂️🙈 It can also trigger the mike. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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