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  1. Holland and Holland for us today, 75 for me which I was fairly pleased with then I saw the results and only 8 people shot over 80, highest being 85 and I was 17th overall so felt a bit better. Again 3 stands cost me by being too short, stand 2 was a l-r blaze supposed to be going over a tree but even though I stood as far back in the stand as I could to see it a bit more, it was a struggle. Hit a few but more luck then anything. Onto the dreaded platform - the barrier is quite high for me and both targets were below your feet so again I was literally on tip toes so I could be comfortable with the gun over the barrier and actually see the targets. As this was a 10 bird stand I was a bit peed off. Then stand 11, a midi r-l going behind trees, again it was worse for me being short as it just disappeared but I never saw anyone hit it and we had a few tall lads in the squad. I love the ground, the facilities and the fact that in the 3 shoots I’ve shot there we’ve shot different parts of the ground which is nice but I just wish they would take into account these silly mistakes which are easily rectified.
    7 points
  2. I can help here. I've got an S2000 and have shot it for 4 years with circa 25k shells across clay and game. It's not let me down and always attracts positive comments! I went over to the factory in Italy and went down the custom stock route. Where are you located in the country? I'd be happy for you to have a look and shoot with mine. Alternatively there are a large number of retailers who can help you explore the range. If you want a lighter gun, you can get the Rizzini Artemus Light, which is a lighter version of the S2000. The S2000 is a great game gun though. I've used it to shoot walked up partridge an quail in Spain, driven grouse, and high pheasants. Really ticks all the boxes.
    6 points
  3. I had a pretty good weekend behind the gun. 88 at College Saturday morning, 93 was HG and I missed 4 on the last stand sadly, then a pretty tidy 91 at Gunsite yesterday in the nice weather. Took my little French Bulldog 'Dennis' out both days, his first time out shooting and he absolutely loved it; loads of new smells, met some other doggos, and got a load of fuss made over him.
    5 points
  4. Out yesterday for a sneeky midweek registered. First visit to Barby (cadman) sporting for a very long time. Some big improvements have been made with some more in the pipeline. Nice looking cafe which I didn't partake in. I hope they get the planning as it will catapult this ground into one of the premier facilities anywhere in the country. Really friendly place , everyone happy to have a chat. Really nice airgun range too if that's your thing. So the sporting is shot mainly from within bunding and covered stands . Squaded and it ran really well . It was a pretty breezy day and red hot too. I didn't fare well on what looks to be a pretty tough shoot. But it was a very enjoyable day with some good targets. So if you are able to get out midweek I'd give this a go. 50 bird open sportrap comp Saturday and wednsday. Also open for practice on claymate. Check with them for days/times. Recommended. Jasper.
    4 points
  5. Was good to see you too Sian. I had a shocker. Started pretty well and was in reasonable shape to hit my average after the first 7 stands. The sim pair on Stand 8 destroyed me - hit 3 from 10. It then got into my head that I needed to not miss many more and resulted in some horrendous hanging on an gun slowing. Missed the first two pairs on 10, just from being overly careful, started moving the gun freely and destroyed the last two pairs. Same on 11, hit two of the 70mm targets but missed two measuring the lead and even one of the easier bird I missed behind. By that stage I was so bad I even started trigger flinching on 12. Started the week really well with an 86 at Churchills on Thursday and turned that completely on it's head with a 68 on Sunday. Bad enough that it will drop off the bottom of my averages. I really need to stop score watching and just shoot the bloody targets!
    4 points
  6. All the targets where set by James Peckham Really ? I'll bet Tom Jones of WMSG Hodnet will be surprised to hear that . It was set by them both. I think it's been a fantastic event and a great course. I shot badly for my class but still enjoyed both days. The performances of Faulds, Digweed etc have been amazing. The super final tonight will be something special. A great advert for Swinton and clay shooting in the north. I hope they host many more championships in the years to come. PM.
    3 points
  7. British open at Swinton, (copied from other thread) I shot the sportrap yesterday morning. Nice set of courses that set off relatively simple and got harder as they went through. Layout 3 had some stiffer birds on it and the 4th had a huge looper. Dave Woolly's 98 will take some beating. All placed in a very nice setting with traps hidden away, I came away with an 89 which I was pretty chuffed with. All in all I thought it was a very good sportrap. Shot the esp in the afternoon and the wheels came off a bit then. Again a lovely setting, all in trees and up banks, very similar to Grimsthorpe or Hodnet. Targets were all very fair, nothing outrageously difficult but plenty at a fair distance or to trip you up. Just lost my focus too many times dropping 1' & 2's here and there with a calamity on stand 3 dropping 6 that destroyed my card early on to finish on 89 ex 120. Realistically I was a good 10 or more light as to where I should have been. Only complaints I heard were about a rabbit jumping a bit on stand 6. Monster driven on stand 14, not something you get at a standard registered these days. All in all I think it will be regarded as a very good shoot and a success for the ground, reffing was all good, good trade Village, toilets and bins dotted about. Well done to Swinton.
    3 points
  8. Hi all Ok so both my dt11 have the fleur de lys. Both 2015 32" 3" chambers. And so this my take on it. Don't shoot me down. Happy to discuss/debate. (stick with me). The mandatory proof for shotguns is 850bar. (Though some say 920) As I understand it you can use "standard steel" through any gun with this proof.(CIP N). Most modern Beretta are proofed to 1200bar. (CIP S). This is also known as (3") magnum proof(lead). (still with?). As I understand "HP steel"(fleur de lys) proof is for extreme range/loads and is 1320bar and is intended for 3 1/2 inch chambers.(of course there are exceptions). Remember steel is less dense than lead and therefore requires more physical space than lead for a given load . At this point Beretta (and most sensible folk) can see that a proof of 1320 bar is not worthwhile on 3" chambers as the loads that fit in a 3" cartridge do not require the higher proof pressure. Hence no fleur on your dt11 Jonny? There is also some question over the cartridge makers making a 1320bar cartridge for 3" Chambers. Its basically redundant in this chamber length. (still here?) So after all this the 1320bar proof is basically pointless on a 3" chambered gun. And so the gun makers cut out some expense by not bothering with the HP steel proof. And of course if you really need it Beretta and others will happily sell you a 3 1/2 inch chambered gun with a fleur and 1320 bar. There maybe be some development with faster speeds (and more recoil) to move into the CIP S 1200bar proof area. (standard+?)(3" chambers) Conclusion. We will all be taking much much more notice of the boxes which contain our cartridges to check the max pressures. Jasper
    3 points
  9. Orston today for a quick sportrap as late in the day as I could get. Been working on a few things just lately with which mount to use and when, and a bit of variation in pre shot routine. A very steady course that could have been tougher but come away with a PB of 94, 4 clear of my previous best, and my first ever 25 straight on a layout. Well worth the trip, as expected a fair few mid to late 90's with 98 being high gun. I expect the british this week may be tougher than today's round.
    3 points
  10. Barbury demonstrates that, whether for practice or a comp, people like nice facilities, good parking and a mud free environment. Add in a friendly atmosphere, good catering, 1st world standard toilets and plenty of stands with a mix of targets and it's easy to see why they get the numbers.
    3 points
  11. People have said for years the world sporting is unfair weather wise and suggestions such as having the top ranked(and thats another can of worms) shooters go at the same time.In fitasc sporting you do 200 over 4 days with morning and afternoon rotations and again the sun and the weather can play foul in that plus the expense of everyone doing 4 days. Another way would be to have qualifying shoots like for example the England selections but then you just made the British best part of a grand to get in and the revenue to hold it has dropped massively in that scenario. Tip tops idea of getting rid of the cats and just using lettered classes sounds good untill you end up with our top event not showing how diverse and inclusive we are. Best way is to suck it up and enjoy what we have ,a qualifying day and a final day that shows how great our sport is.
    2 points
  12. I'll just leave you all with this thought then. If this format for the British Open is the best and fairest way to shoot over several days, why has this format or one similar, never been adopted for the World championships? Or is it OK to be in the world super finals shoot off on pot luck with the weather? Or any other super final shoot off for that matter, at a major.
    2 points
  13. No system is perfect. If it had poured down and blown a gale all four days but the HG caught a window in the weather, would that be a fair result? Perhaps it highlights it more this year with the weather being fairly consistent over the whole competition. Apparently Brody was straight until the last stand today on a very tough course. Hats off for a great performance on the day. PM.
    2 points
  14. Really enjoyable sporting and sportrap layouts. All credit to the target setters for getting the balance spot on. My favourite comp of this year having been to most of the sporting and sportrap championships. A few days in Yorkshire with some decent beer what’s not to like!
    2 points
  15. Showing my age ,once again . Muntaz Al Jafray (founder and owner of Express) Geoff Dales (founder and owner of Gamebore ) And also the owner of Kent Cartirdges ( the brand George used for multiple World wins ) were ALL home loaders who turned a hobby into a business . Don't knock home loads , some are exceptionally good . I load Black powder cartridges for my Game shooting and steel and heavy loads for my wildfowling.
    2 points
  16. I thought you would be sick of people telling you missed it behind by now ? 🤣
    2 points
  17. May 2020 I bought 10000 Pro Ones for £250/1000, ordered another 10000 as was almost out. Picked them up yesterday at £265/1000, increase of £15/1000 but in reality it's nothing in relation to what I spend as a whole on shooting.
    2 points
  18. Totally agree, I wish I lived closer to Barbury, it’s a great ground. Every time weve shot there someone has always come up and asked us what we thought, anything wrong or what could’ve been better etc. I’ve never had a disappointing shoot there.
    2 points
  19. Shooting with a cold this week. Wasted my time at EJC, fuzzy head, useless. Hangmanstone today for Oxford champs. Took some Day Nurse! It’s the first shoot I’ve done not squadded since before the apocalypse. Car park and whole ground very full when I turned up after midday. Thanks to Sian for the parking spot! I was entry 152 and they were still coming in. I walked past the first four stands as they each had about 20 people waiting. Some trap trouble. Shot stands 5-12 in about 50 minutes, then took another 75 mins to get the first four done as queues were still there. A good course I felt, with three easy stands, three hard stands and the rest medium. Finished on 90 just as the Day Nurse was wearing off. I wonder if squadded or some sort of hybrid method might be needed here in future as it was busy.
    2 points
  20. Glad I wasn't the only one on Stand 12 today... Straighted 8 stands today & walked on there for a 90... walked off with an 84 😭 but was a funny pair on the eyes. Cleverly set I guess! Enjoyed the shoot though.
    1 point
  21. Gunsite early doors which I enjoyed and then a longer than expected drive to Honesberie for last card at 3pm. As Will said a good course but I just had nothing to give and did terribly. Maybe two shoots is too much now. The drive home was too long as well,
    1 point
  22. Dartford was on today, I should have done that. Horne is convenient for me, particularly as you can just decide to go on the spur of the moment, but I think I'll give it a miss for a few weeks at least. They did have homemade bread pudding, so at least my husband benefited from me going this time.
    1 point
  23. I heard a very similar report from others.. I’m not in a hurry to reacquaint myself with the place. A very good course at Honesberie today. Stand 1 was pretty easy, then everything after that needed your attention. I was actually very happy with how I was going (finally lost the jet lag from last week). However, got totally poleaxed on stand 12, more than doubling my losses in one go. Just misread them. Finished on 89.
    1 point
  24. The letters CP in the small rectangle would indicate that it’s built in 2016. Same as mine, and also stamped with both the CIP S and CIP FdL. Surprising to see that with two inches of extra barrel length your barrels weigh only 40 grams more than mine.
    1 point
  25. He shot the highest score on the day and the highest joint score in the super final - He was the best shooter at this years championship finals without question.
    1 point
  26. So after 4 days of 120 bird qualifiers, a 75 bird finals day, and a 25 bird super final, the person with the lowest score across all 3 is the British ESP champion. What a farcical format it is for the British shooting flagship event. But that's the rules so fair play to the winner. 😮
    1 point
  27. All the targets where set by James Peckham Really ? I'll bet Tom Jones of WMSG Hodnet will be surprised to hear that .
    1 point
  28. 1 point
  29. Look at all the usual well known brands as one individual gun is the answer, which may have been modified (or can easily be modified) to be a decent fit. Until you’ve shot 10,000 cartridges you won’t know what finer gun fit points are needed, so about right for now will do. A good used gun that will re sell well in a year or two.
    1 point
  30. Hope the weather is as good as it was today for you!!!
    1 point
  31. Shooting it tomorrow. Looks a good round going by the scores. Sitting in a lovely pub about 5 miles from the ground enjoying a nice meal and a pint or two.
    1 point
  32. couple of ounces you cannot tell you have it on
    1 point
  33. Well tk there is a branch of the Italian proof house within the Beretta factory I think. So strictly speaking they don't proof their own barrels. Luke. The cost reduction is only one part of my thinking. The other was that the Fleur proof is basically pointless in a 3" gun. Anyhow are we just talking dt11 or across the Beretta range . In which case any cost saving would be significant. Would be interesting to know what the "lesser" guns are proofed at now?..... Jasper.
    1 point
  34. Seems a pretty fair assessment of the situation. Could also depend on where they thought the market for each gun would be, and if it would be required. Like you say, they won't pay for the HP steel proof test if they think it's an unnecessary cost. I have been thinking along the lines of that if the time ever arises that I need it to be FdL stamped, the gun is more than likely made to the same standards of the other DT11's that have passed the highest proof and I can always get my local gunsmith to submit it for the FdL proof. There is always the risk of catastrophic failure, so would obviously take advice of the gunsmith before taking the risk. Hopefully it may never be a problem, only stumbling block could be trade in price in the future if its not FdL.
    1 point
  35. I agree with Luke for the most part. Specially about the extra weight on the barrels. Since skeet is my game missing has more to do with a wrong move than with lead etc. I think a cam that would film the person would be of more value. I will spend my money on coaching. One exception. At this one place there is a driven bird that drops dead about 40 yards in front of you. I was never able to kill that properly until someone who could showed me their shotkam footage of killing that clay.
    1 point
  36. and two weeks later SHOT0012.MP4 SHOT0008.MP4 SHOT0008.MP4 SHOT0010.MP4 SHOT0012.MP4
    1 point
  37. I'll check my two later and post some thoughts.
    1 point
  38. This is mine taken from DT11 Sporting 2015 have they moved the proof marks to a different spot? Looks like you have a lot less proofing marks ? What variant of DT11 is it?
    1 point
  39. well shot , very respectable !!
    1 point
  40. Yes but he missed four on the blue course. Absolute rubbish 😂😂😂
    1 point
  41. Some up last night on FB under Hepworth Hall. Not that many surely? John does send out texts to the people that book squads quite frequently to remind them.
    1 point
  42. Even so, unless you have that 1970s potting shed mentality where you have hours free where you want to get away from the wife/husband, the sheer man hours spent doing it would surely be huge compared to paying someone else 20-30p for each one produced?
    1 point
  43. First time at a registered in a while that wasn't squadded and althouch I got round in about 2 hours it did feel a lot longer, had 2 or 3 stands with a bit of a wait so the shooting didn't feel like it flowed quite as it usually would. Not sure what can be done better, my only thought would be a one-way system or have some squads go out for the first couple of hours then have it as a free for all? Personally I wasn't very good last weekend but did better yesterday and today; 85 at Ham Cross, missing 6 rabbits which is really unlike me wrecked the card a bit, and 86 at Hangmangstone today with teal being my nemesis today again hitting 6 out of the possible 8, but stupidly went to football yesterday afternoon and got carried away after with some mates, beer flowing nicely, still in the curry house at gone 11 meant that I wasn't overly fresh this morning 😂 Older coach and two younger shots in front of us on the second to last stand I shot, he was telling them what to do, went in first and missed most of what was a fairly simple slow rabbit followed by trap bird, younger lad went in after and smashed them.
    1 point
  44. Churchill's on Thursday. Three stands I was disappointed with. Scaffold platform, miss a pair, hit a pair and then end same again. Just sloppy doing that. Grouse butt I couldn't hit what looked like a simple low going away target, think I was stopping the gun on it. Sim pair on the next stand finished the demolition of my card - 3/10. Only dropped 6 all together on the other 9 stands for a 78. Driving back from a few days away in the Midlands and popped into Court Farm on the way home. Thought it was pretty wind affected and I had several stands that I should have done better on. Worst one was first stand up the hill - low lr crosser and a really high battue. In the wind, not a single one of the battues opened up and I kept hanging onto them waiting for that to happen, missing every one. Abysmal 1/8 on that and a total score of 72.
    1 point
  45. https://www.bictsf.com/news/2021/08/09/39th-universal-trench-world-championships/393/
    1 point
  46. They can work loose. Modern guns normally have a plastic grommet/washer thingy between the stock and bolt. If it comes loose again do check it is not missing. Also a little bit of loctite blue or ptfe tape will help keep it in (assuming the plastic grommet etc is there).
    1 point
  47. I wouldn't go for a walnut stain. Go for Alkanet oil to bring out any figure, then finishing oil. I have done several stocks with the Trade Secrets kit. You could also get some Slippery Dicks alkanet oil and 'stock oil', which will build to a nice sheen, or you can use his finishing oil for a high gloss finish. Top it off with wax. I did this stock with Trade Secrets and wax.
    1 point
  48. Cockett Farm is just up the a614 from Notts and a great friendly ground that offer sporting etc and qualified coaching. Highly recommended
    1 point
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