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  1. Just an opinion of mine , but if you can find a 30 ish year old Beretta 682 Gold in good fettle , 1) you’ll pay today for a used one more or less the same price as the gun cost new , and that will be a little less than a new Silver Pigeon , and a little more than a used one . . 2) you’ll buy a gun hand assembled in Beretta’s competition department 3) the gun was built to be serviced with everything replaceable even at the barrel shoulder . The wood then was better also . 4) it’s a gun in the right hands that’s capable of winning world championships. Sure you can get all the new develo
    5 points
  2. Message from Teague today to confirm they're still on track to get the guns back to me next week - PERFECT given I can't go shooting 🤣 Still.. time to get both sets of wood refinished and in tip top condition.
    4 points
  3. Thank you Will. It’s perhaps not surprising I’m looking at this from a trap point of view, we’re discussing it on the trap forum! Joking aside, I get you sporting shooters like to choke change but I’m sure the same principle applies. Half choke is more than adequate providing the gun is shooting where you’re looking. In any event, it’s likely shot constriction comes pretty far down the list of reasons for targets missed.
    4 points
  4. I haven't tried a 694 but I have tried every other Beretta. Basically, there's very little difference between 6xx family Berettas, especially the later ones. They all have near enough the same barrels and actions. With the higher end models you're really getting more decoration and bragging points rather than a "better" gun. For me personally, once I'd discovered CGs all interest in Berettas evaporated. I shoot a Challenger which is really a Summit with a wood and engraving upgrade and as @SIMON-Bsays, the shooting characteristics and features are superb and IMO unmatched by any oth
    4 points
  5. I can assure those who may have doubts, that I only shoot I/C in both barrels in my Prosport. Using a mix of 24/28 gram 8's and 71/2's Cheddite cartridges and the occasional World Cups for distant targets. I have used this choke cartridge combination for many years and given age and ailments, I am still happy with my scores. I no longer shoot Competitions and if I did, I may consider 3/8 in both. Seeing as how 3/8 are not available in Browning DS chokes, I am reluctant to spend around £100 for 2 chokes to sit in my range bag, 'just in case' . I have 2 Mod. chokes for use with fibre wads and di
    3 points
  6. As said - it may be nothing but it prints a true IC pattern - for me as soon as target shows some face inside 35 m it is ok. Of course there are better choices for edge on targets (esp rabbits, battues and minis) on the far side of 35 m. My setup for Fitasc sporting disciplines is IC/IM IM - I like to fiddle with barrel selector and choose the restriction that might be better for the presentation. But if I had to chose the same choke for both barrels, it would be based on worst scenario and it would be IM. IM and LF are my trap setup chokes. By all means - your mileage may vary. The
    3 points
  7. Hi chaps! I didn’t think to ask for the removed part - good call maybe I will see if it’s still floating around. Not too long to wait now! Monday 4th both guns will be multi-choked, off to the proof house on the 12th and then back with Teague on the 19th. Meaning w/c 18th I should finally have them back! 4+ months of zero shooting. Nearly 30% of my entire shooting career 😄 Get them back just in time for a complete national lockdown I’m sure. 🙈 In terms of the spare I plan to strip and refinish the wood (something I just enjoy) and then I’ll make a decision afterwards in ter
    3 points
  8. As I’ve said before (a while back), even if you find a super spreading cartridge (do we call that a COVID 19 cartridge these days)?.. then you may cause a head-problem. I found it most distracting to think I was chucking a dustbin lid at a 15 yard clay and usually missed, thinking the huge spread would make up for my lack of attention paid. I’m a one shell / one choke chap now.
    3 points
  9. It`ll be to do with Fiocchi having bought out B& P who have the Gordon System.
    2 points
  10. No matter where any of the majors are held, it will always be a bit of a trek for someone. At least it is only 5 minutes off the M4. Not as bad as sticking stuff right out on the east coast though. 🙂
    2 points
  11. https://mirokushotguns.com.au/model/mk10-deluxe-trap/ There are quite a few variants on this site that we don’t see . With side plates without them , with Brileys , without them .
    2 points
  12. I have a sort of 'portable choke gauge' which I use a lot and find it to be quite effective. It is my middle finger on my right hand ! If it goes in only as far as the first joint it's around MOD, if it goes in beyond the first joint but stops short of the second joint, it's around I/C and if it goes all the way in, it's skeet !
    2 points
  13. For those of you considering buying a new gun , check out what BWM will be introducing to the Miroku range this year (2021) Exciting times ahead.
    2 points
  14. Simplicity is key here. Don’t fiddle around with chokes, you’ll just add another unnecessary variable to your game. Make sure your gun puts the shot where you’re looking then pattern your gun and cartridge combination with 1/2 and 5/8 or 1/2 and 3/4. Decide what looks best and give it no more thought. Oh, and stick with 28g 7.5’s. It’s the perfect combination between pattern density and punch. No need to mess about with different shot sizes.
    2 points
  15. This is the best article on choke selection I've ever seen: https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_headintheclouds_201002/99884
    2 points
  16. Gamebore Evo plas 28g 8 shot. Nothing special, but actually a very even pattern, smooth recoil and sensible money.
    2 points
  17. Gunsite today, after overnight heavy rain & mega winds was really pleased to be greeted with clear skies, low bright sun, pleasant bit of warmth and just a gentle breeze . As shoot was a re arranged affair & lots in T4 confinement entry even for first thing looked quiet. Squad of five walked round by ref, had a good start only for my wheels to come off on a Simo pair where I didn’t think I was getting a fair target due to repeated distractions, the ref didn’t agree. Day didn’t get any better as wouldn’t engage with ref as confidence in him gone. Not saying my card would have been any b
    2 points
  18. Correct 2005 MK70 came with Invector chokes - this is from 2005 catalogue:
    2 points
  19. Agree with this. I have had she'd loads of Beretta and nothing compares to the early 682 gold for value for money in fact I would say it's the best gun Beretta ever made. Less than 12 hundred quid gets you one, job done 👍
    2 points
  20. The amount of "down" depends on the presentation and what I can see. If I know I won't have a lot of time to engage the bird I'll be just out of the pocket, if it's an incomer from 70 yards out I'll call pull while getting the gun out of the car 🤣. The only reason for shooting from a FITASC, or similar mount is if you are forced to by the rules. Other than that let the target and your confidence / ability define your approach.
    2 points
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  22. We don't get them here at all, strangely. Plenty of Gamebore around, but the Gordon ones sell only in the UK? Must be a licensing issue, but I haven't found any other cartridges with the 'system' that do sell here. I'd fancy trying them out.
    1 point
  23. It’s a trek for us but I love shooting at Barbury so will book in and for the Pro Once challenge too.
    1 point
  24. Buy a fixed choke Trap gun..........................sorted ! I buttoned for a Friend recently, he was using a £350 Franchi Trap gun that he had picked up at a local gunshop. When he had finished I tried the gun, apart from being a tad short it seemed OK. I went on to straight the layout, shooting alone and with just 1 second barrel. I do not know what it is choked, but with my 24 gram Cheddite 7 1/2's it was dusting them, so I suspect at least 3/4 and full. IF, I ever feel the need to shoot DTL again, I will borrow the gun and just shoot it without worrying about the chokes. Of course
    1 point
  25. Another genius design! Make a glasses frame which is destroyed by lens cleaner! (Un)fortunately, depending upon which way you look at it, my lenses were that new that they hadn't needed cleaning, and they still broke. Thanks for the info, from doing a bit of reading, it appears polycarbonate reacts with alcohol. Most plastic glasses frames are polycarbonate, and most lens cleaners contain alcohol. I shall stick to soapy water if they ever do require a good clean. Maybe Pilla and Wiley should put cleaning instructions and safe cleaners that can be used on their website? I'm surprised Pilla do
    1 point
  26. Before I switched to Pilla I had a set of Wiley sabors with an insert similar to the Pilla one . They cracked exactly the same , was nothing to do with the design, is was the solution 20 lense cleaner, optition showed me the strange chemical reaction it had with park of the cracked frame.
    1 point
  27. Just dropped myself back into an Mk38 Trap gun again...... and wonder why I left in the first place. I love it. All it needs is a 1" pad and an adjustable trigger. So then, anybody know where I can get one? As its a browning (essentially) surely we should be able to get one retro-fitted? Cheers
    1 point
  28. I've had a Pro trap. 725. Great patterns. Triggers? Naff. I've gone back to the inertia trigger. Much better. And as for that sideplate.... I'll be having one stock dimensions depending.
    1 point
  29. Yep, totally possible (I've had it done twice). First time via Nigel Teague and second BWM directly. Can't remember exactly how much but believe somewhere between £100 - £160. Any gunsmith can do it they'll just order the part from Browning and fit it.
    1 point
  30. I shoot 1/4 or I/C in BOTH. 8 shot for most targets, 7/12's for those er 'illusive' edge on targets, but I always have a box of 'World Cups' in my bag for those few 100 yarders ! I no longer bother with Comps. or Registered shoots (too much hassle), but still manage 75/80% scores at various grounds.
    1 point
  31. Doesn't the first one count then?
    1 point
  32. I'm pretty certain the Briley chart is for lead - quoting full chokes for steel would be very risky given you have to half the constrictions. I came across it about 5 years ago before steel was a thing. Westward makes the important point which I think the chart will confirm - When the clay is edge on and at a distance over 30 yards a tight choke (really) matters. Its the presentation of the clay on edge which makes the difference. With loopers showing the belly or dome the oppersite would be true. If you don't swap between stands, then its a personal choice but my inclination (and I'
    1 point
  33. Not being a trappie my view is worth exactly what it costs, but I wouldn't dream of shooting edgy, going away targets with anything less than ½ choke if score mattered. I only shoot sporting and haven't used anything less than LM for at least 15years.
    1 point
  34. For 694 money id sooner have a clean used DT10 cant go wrong and will get what you paid for it many years later
    1 point
  35. That's why it's best to pattern then you know, me I'm not that good to worry that at the moment.My two modified in my Prosport stay in for Sporting all the time
    1 point
  36. Supplied as an optional extra via Pilla for $1,795,250.00
    1 point
  37. Is the white suit and cavalier hat included then? 😄 *ta-dadadaaah-dadadaah-da-die-da-die-da-die-dadadadaaaaaaaah*
    1 point
  38. The Pilla 580 are a fair bit cheaper than the ubiquitous Outlaw X7/X6 They’re a partial frame design with individual lenses rather than a frameless mask style, so you need to be sure you can get along with having a frame. The frames cost around £120 and lens £100 for a pair. If you buy more than one pair of lenses you usually get a discount of about 20% on the second pair and 40% on the third etc. They can be had as prescription lenses also, but I think the cost of maybe in the region of £500 a pair, but I’m not certain about that to be honest . One nice thing about the 580 is
    1 point
  39. There are some changes with the 694 which have the potential to make a better long term purchase that the earlier 6XX guns and likely to make it better suited to ‘competition’ use. Coles have good (25 mins) review of it. I have held a couple of (lefty) 694 and found them easy to pick up after my 686E. Both had a better (more substantial) feel to them. The 694 has weights for balancing, an adjustable trigger and the adjustable comb adds little weight if you need it. Is it an upgrade over a 686. For the vast majority no. It may help you fell better and it may make a marginal difference but
    1 point
  40. It's the raised rib guns that don't hold value well - and not just with CGs. High ribs just aren't as trendy these days.
    1 point
  41. I'd be interested to see comments on the Breda from anyone - other than Vic Harker of course.
    1 point
  42. I had to look this up just to see what a "piston type shell" is and what it does, so thanks for today's lesson learned. Are these specifically designed to obtain a wider shot pattern with tightly choked guns, or would they (allegedly) also spread a wider pattern in say a skeet-skeet gun? Funnily enough, this thread came up in my search and it seems the "soft and gentle Geordie" had a penchant for Fiocchi back then too 🙂 https://www.shootclayforum.com/topic/20684-hull-pro-piston-9-shot-at-the-range/
    1 point
  43. I’ve found these things do very little for wide spread and are expensive. If they still make them, get some Express 21g fibres. Widest spread I ever found.
    1 point
  44. Lets establish one thing: All 6xx series Berettas are equally reliable and durable. They're very reliable generally (692 excepted!) and there's also very little - if any - difference in the fit and finish, regardless of the model. What does vary is the specification, accessories, wood grade and decoration. Whether or not the 694 is a step up from say a Silver Pigeon I sporter is arguable, but it's certainly not twice the gun, just twice the price. There are 3 or 4 strong alternatives to consider at the 694's price point, but the only comparable alternative to the SP I is the B525.
    1 point
  45. So after reading through people's opinions, I decided to have a go on a Browning Ultra XS Pro. I was pleasantly surprised to say the least.
    1 point
  46. Don’t forget that any stock sitting in the warehouse costs the producer money . They won’t have held any excess stock when the shooting grounds closed I don’t know what the stock turn of a cartridge manufacturer is but I bet it’s quite quick perhaps 10 or 12 times a year ? Obviously they may build up bigger seasonal stocks for game shooting. I’d have thought rather than a glut , those buying in overseas components and powders might even be looking at production problems . As far as pricing goes they’ll charge what the market can stand . We are the mugs that drive that listening to the hig
    1 point
  47. Jocker 24g fibre 7.5 = £46.25 a slab - absolutely nails everything - love 'em!
    1 point
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