British 21gms. Sporting Championship

We are pleased to announce that the British 21gms Sporting Championship will be held at Wylye Valley on Sunday September 30th.



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Cash in classes Ian?

Sounds great. Same for all. The 28g die-hards will be so shocked with how well they work. I patterned hull 21g plas a couple of years ago and they are like the best 80% inner circle from a great 28g shell.

Mrs Fuz uses them and they are excellent Quite honestly if they weren't the same price as my kents I would use them. £130 a thou and I would shoot them every day of the week

£130? Surely not bought recently?

I meant if they were Clever, near as dammit same price as my Kent Velocity, £148 v £151 with 7kgs of lead less, thought lead was the reason shells are so expensive :huh:

nope just greed!

not exactly giving these away either charging £60 for entry

£60? They are £15 a hundred. And this is a promo? Hmm.. Even for 125 it's a bit steep..

at JC's prices 125 compx 21g are £18.50 so a £41.50 entry fee, bit steep without it being a promo :wacko:

Well you may well say that but how about £10 per entry into the prize fund? Does that make a difference? Of course it does. Do the sums again and see what you come up with. Bear in mind that there are no sponsored prizes, the prize fund is self-generating:-

£200 High Gun

£100 per class win plus prizes down to 4th place in four classes.

Too dear? I don't think so.

So Hull are providing Comp X, but not at a subsidised rate, and are not contributing to the prizes? So what is the significance of their involvement? £60-£18-£10=£32. That'd still be a very dear birds only rate. Steep, I'd say. Best of luck with it though...

£25 B/O + £10 Prize Fund + £10 for part sponsored Shells = ~£45 entry

This will be interesting, 21g shells certainly break well enough at short range, tolerably well at medium but defo struggle at long range compared to 28g. I love when people say things like: they smash them if you point em right, what if you don't point em right?

I hope the targets aren't dumbed down for the occasion because I predict an average of around 3-5 birds lighter than your expected scores, not saying someone won't put in a cracking score, someone always does but overall they are nowhere near as good as 28g - all this talk of their wondrous patterning ability is all Bull :wink: . They said that so you'd all rush out and buy them at their inflated prices saving the manufacturer tons of lead. :.: :.:

There are two possible arguments for them, recoil and cost. The recoil from most 28g loads is within comfort limits of most people and as for cost :huh: , well they're no cheaper than many 28g loads which outperform them.

I must remember to buy some for use on tough Pool stands where I need fantastic patterns and low recoil aiding second shot recovery. :???: :.: .

Emmsy said:

£25 B/O + £10 Prize Fund + £10 for part sponsored Shells = ~£45 entry

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Emmsy said:

£25 B/O + £10 Prize Fund + £10 for part sponsored Shells = ~£45 entry

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Your maths are somewhat adventurous to say the least. £25 for birds only? Where did that come from Stu? I shot Southern Counties last week and it was £35. Come and see us and I'll run you through the economics of clayshooting, it will add greatly to your education!

A big difficulty with cost setting is not knowing the final entry size. I imagine that the profit from most shoots only really materialises after the first 60 shooters have gone through, to cover fixed costs. 70 entries will be a very different profit compared to 150.

Like to no where you can soot bo for 25 quid ? Remember gentlemen the ground owner has to earn a living the same as the rest of us . Carl

wylye said:

Your maths are somewhat adventurous to say the least. £25 for birds only? Where did that come from Stu? I shot Southern Counties last week and it was £35. Come and see us and I'll run you through the economics of clayshooting, it will add greatly to your education!

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non registered at westfield and windrush are £30 comp, longridge always used to be £25 for practice (not been there for a few months though), whats your practice cost now? the likes of podimore / southern counties always seem expensive to me.

ive always been under the impression your bettwer off getting 175 entries at £30 a pop than 125 at £35, or am i completely sh*t at maths? making it a bit cheaper is surely going to attract more shooters is it not? times are hard for a lot of us!!

Emmsy said:

non registered at westfield and windrush are £30 comp, longridge always used to be £25 for practice (not been there for a few months though), whats your practice cost now? the likes of podimore / southern counties always seem expensive to me.

ive always been under the impression your bettwer off getting 175 entries at £30 a pop than 125 at £35, or am i completely sh*t at maths? making it a bit cheaper is surely going to attract more shooters is it not? times are hard for a lot of us!!

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no emmsy you are very good at maths thats £875 and 50 more for breakfast.