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Hamster

What a difference a year makes.

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LeeF3

Tried one today.

 

bought one.

 

felt great.

 

 

lee

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squimp

Interesting news.

I have liked the later Guerini guns and would have seriously considered buying one -  but (like many on here) found the stocks significantly too low.

There is an open day at Chatcombe next week -  so I may pop along and quiz the Guerini guys there....

 

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2 hours ago, squimp said:

Interesting news.

I have liked the later Guerini guns and would have seriously considered buying one -  but (like many on here) found the stocks significantly too low.

There is an open day at Chatcombe next week -  so I may pop along and quiz the Guerini guys there....

 

Ask them to bring an Ascent stocked flat rib Invictus along. Like they did at Orston for me. Theyll set it up for you.

Enjoy....too much.....like I did.....its a cracker.

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On 8/31/2019 at 5:55 PM, LeeF3 said:

Tried one today.

 

bought one.

 

felt great.

 

 

lee

Pictures needed. It's a shiny toy. Need to see it.

FACT.

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LeeF3
2 hours ago, Geordieboy said:

Pictures needed. It's a shiny toy. Need to see it.

FACT.

There we go.

 

lee

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Midlife

Very nice. Hope you enjoy it👍

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10 hours ago, LeeF3 said:

There we go.

 

lee

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PHWOAAR!!! Its a cracking piece that chap!

Dont know what shells you use but I can vouch for the half chokes and Superbs!

Triggers are fantastic too. Did I mention low recoil? Blardy Blardy Blaa.

Enjoy it and give us your feedback upon shooting!!!

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LeeF3
18 minutes ago, Geordieboy said:

PHWOAAR!!! Its a cracking piece that chap!

Dont know what shells you use but I can vouch for the half chokes and Superbs!

Triggers are fantastic too. Did I mention low recoil? Blardy Blardy Blaa.

Enjoy it and give us your feedback upon shooting!!!

I’m already on superbs mate and yes I find every choke patterns well with them. Just soot left in the sky, it’s very different to my old f3 but so far so good.

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On 9/1/2019 at 4:13 PM, Geordieboy said:

Ask them to bring an Ascent stocked flat rib Invictus along. Like they did at Orston for me. Theyll set it up for you.

Enjoy....too much.....like I did.....its a cracker.

😊🤘

Sounds good.

The Blaser guys did a similar routine for me at Chatcombe last year -  they put a vantage stock together with a std set of barrels -  the subsequent sight picture was perfect for me. I did talk to the Guerini  guys there -  but no joy. As Hamster said ' what a difference a year makes!'.

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Iggy

Very happy with my Invictus M Spec, had it over 2 years now...never missed a beat and still looks pretty much new. 

Lee - what model is that.....think I saw Nick Hendrick using the same gun on Sunday.  It’s very pretty. 

 

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7 hours ago, Iggy said:

Very happy with my Invictus M Spec, had it over 2 years now...never missed a beat and still looks pretty much new. 

Lee - what model is that.....think I saw Nick Hendrick using the same gun on Sunday.  It’s very pretty. 

 

It’s an invictus 3. Like all invictus guns they should shoot very similar just the wood grade and detail change. 

 

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7 hours ago, Iggy said:

Very happy with my Invictus M Spec, had it over 2 years now...never missed a beat and still looks pretty much new. 

Lee - what model is that.....think I saw Nick Hendrick using the same gun on Sunday.  It’s very pretty. 

 

It's an Invictus 3 Sporter. Very nice gun but too low in the comb for me hence my need to fit the Ascent stock. I sh*t the Invictus 7 which is the same gun but with Side Plates. 

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ColinD

Tried out a Invictus Accent yesterday, and can see where your coming from, first time I have really felt like a gun fitted me, the mid rib height helped me but I'm 6'2 14st with a long neck.

Only problem is the Invictus is a grand more than the Summit Accent, would I regret not spending that extra in the long run, plenty of Summits Accents second hand but not many Invictus, does this mean people have traded up 😊

 

 

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22 hours ago, ColinD said:

Tried out a Invictus Accent yesterday, and can see where your coming from, first time I have really felt like a gun fitted me, the mid rib height helped me but I'm 6'2 14st with a long neck.

Only problem is the Invictus is a grand more than the Summit Accent, would I regret not spending that extra in the long run, plenty of Summits Accents second hand but not many Invictus, does this mean people have traded up 😊

 

 

A friend of mine has a Summit Ascent he loves it, balance and quality is still there, just a different gun. If you like it go for it.  Invictus is a newer gun and like all Caesar Guerini models people are not willing to stray away from the bigger Brands ie Beretta and browning.  If you are after a gun for life the Invictus is built to be that but with 10year warranty on all guns I can't see the summit having problems that can't be fixed either.  Speak to AngloItalia they will be able to give you some more info on the changes. 

 

sounds like I work for them 😁,  just impressed so far with what I have purchased.

 

Lee

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timps

Here is my thought process when I bought mine...

http://www.shootclayforum.com/topic/14571-i-have-bought-a-new-gun/

Now I have owned it for a while I still love it and the DT10 has gone. 

If I was buying now I probably would have  the same question about  paying a bit more for the Invictus, however,  I have no  intention of trading up as I see no benefits over what I have at the moment.   

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3 hours ago, timps said:

Here is my thought process when I bought mine...

http://www.shootclayforum.com/topic/14571-i-have-bought-a-new-gun/

Now I have owned it for a while I still love it and the DT10 has gone. 

If I was buying now I probably would have  the same question about  paying a bit more for the Invictus, however,  I have no  intention of trading up as I see no benefits over what I have at the moment.   

Cheers for that.  Good write up on that gun.  I do like the Ascent Stock as it is more trappy.  Getting one seems to be the issue.  All the same, I spoke to Doug Pinnegar on here as I seen him with his rather nice Rizzini.  This gun was made to measure as part of the service from Honesberie.  Finish was excellent and the gun is significantly cheaper new than a Guerini.  Guerini's do seem to lose a huge amount of value from new, that is why I'd be looking for a used gun.  I'm going to take a look at the Rizzini as well and see how I get on with Honesberie.  They are just down the road from me so I'll see how I get on.  If a new gun fitted is cheaper than a guerini, then I'd be more tempted to go that route. 

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6 hours ago, Geordieboy said:

Cheers for that.  Good write up on that gun.  I do like the Ascent Stock as it is more trappy.  Getting one seems to be the issue.  All the same, I spoke to Doug Pinnegar on here as I seen him with his rather nice Rizzini.  This gun was made to measure as part of the service from Honesberie.  Finish was excellent and the gun is significantly cheaper new than a Guerini.  Guerini's do seem to lose a huge amount of value from new, that is why I'd be looking for a used gun.  I'm going to take a look at the Rizzini as well and see how I get on with Honesberie.  They are just down the road from me so I'll see how I get on.  If a new gun fitted is cheaper than a guerini, then I'd be more tempted to go that route. 

But is it any different from any other maker if you buy new, especially selling it on within say 2yrs. You loose the vat cost straight away anyhow.

The second hand ones I've seen, when you work out what they cost new and what they are asking seem no worse than the main stream popular ones to my untrained eye.

 

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11 hours ago, ColinD said:

But is it any different from any other maker if you buy new, especially selling it on within say 2yrs. You loose the vat cost straight away anyhow.

The second hand ones I've seen, when you work out what they cost new and what they are asking seem no worse than the main stream popular ones to my untrained eye.

 

Not with Guerini.  The gunshops buy them at about 60% of what the mark-up value is.  Guerini have a huge mark-up and this is why a lot of gunshops will offer you about half of what you paid for a relatively new gun if you want to part ex it.  Buy a Browning, Miroku, Beretta and use it and you lose money, true, but the as the margins are a lot less you will have to still pay a reasonable amount 2nd hand for a good one.  But check out Guntrader.  There are Invictus 3's, 5's and 7's on there privatelyfor £3k-4.5K privately.  Thats £2k-£3k off new price.

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4 hours ago, Geordieboy said:

 Miroku, Beretta and use it and you lose money, true, but the as the margins are a lot less you will have to still pay a reasonable amount 2nd hand for a good one.  But check out Guntrader.  There are Invictus 3's, 5's and 7's on there privatelyfor £3k-4.5K privately.  Thats £2k-£3k off new price.

But you're comparing apples with oranges. The 3,5 & 7 Invictus models from new are about £5K and upwards. Apart from the VAT at £1K and up which is instantly lost, it's a  much smaller volume market than the £2-3K market for Miroku, Browning and 6 series Berettas.  It's more realistic to judge by the used prices for Invictus 1 or Summit.

It's the same with cars; a pre-loved Focus loses much less money than a BMW.

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55 minutes ago, Westward said:

But you're comparing apples with oranges. The 3,5 & 7 Invictus models from new are about £5K and upwards. Apart from the VAT at £1K and up which is instantly lost, it's a  much smaller volume market than the £2-3K market for Miroku, Browning and 6 series Berettas.  It's more realistic to judge by the used prices for Invictus 1 or Summit.

It's the same with cars; a pre-loved Focus loses much less money than a BMW.

Point Taken.  

I'll buy a used gun then as it is at a more appreciable price point.

I drive BMW's, but I'd never buy a new one.  Price is relative.

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MartynB

25 years ago I bought a coupe of guns .  A used lightweight action K80 at £3800 and a brand spanking new Beretta 682 Gold ( the original proper one ) at £1350 . 2 years ago I got £1000 for the Beretta . It hadn’t been serviced once in its life , but was still tight and immaculate.  Total cost of ownership about £15 a year , but depreciation of around 25% .  The K80 I’ve still got , I’ve spent £650 over its life time on service and a bit of woodwork .  I was offered £3500 trade for it the other week but declined as a) my lad uses it a few times a year, b ) I thought the offer was at least £500 light considering the wood on the gun .  If I threw it in a skip tomorrow, the  total cost of ownership would still be only £166 per annum . 

A bit of rambling but I suppose what I’m saying is that unless you are a habitual swopped ,  you won’t lose much on any quality gun , allowing for the fact you bought it to use it . 

I’ve recently bought , had fitted etc and Teagued ,  2 Miroku Gd 5s ( a 12 and a 20 )  both used both 2 years old total costs £6000 . If I shoot them for the next 10 years , I’ll still get £3000 back , that’s £150 per gun per year . 

If you look at gun ownership in that way , buying any nice quality gun to keep over a period is not a silly  or expensive thing to do . 

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ColinD

£3500 25yrs ago = £7240 today, that makes me feel better 😊 only trouble in 25yrs I don't think I'll be able to hold the thing up to shoot it

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47 minutes ago, ColinD said:

£3500 25yrs ago = £7240 today, that makes me feel better 😊 only trouble in 25yrs I don't think I'll be able to hold the thing up to shoot it

That’s when you’ll buy another in 20g 😂

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