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MartynB

Please don’t tell me my £360/ 1000  sleek , black , high base , jet propelled , pheasant terminators have sub standard shot !!! 

I imagined the shot would be precision ground by intense , and stern looking master technicians on CNC controlled machinery supervised by a Black Belt in Lean Sigma . 

Now you tell me a bloke called Bert is shovelling  up the mis-shapes , and me being a mug , I’m falling for the  claims made on the sexy metallic foiled packaging 😂

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Doctor Lecter

wonder what the profit margin is   per 1000  shells      ?    so many variables  .

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ips
1 hour ago, Doctor Lecter said:

wonder what the profit margin is   per 1000  shells      ?    so many variables  .

Very little i believe. And going off the cost of home loads i believe it.

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Wonko the Sane
18 hours ago, ips said:

Very little i believe. And going off the cost of home loads i believe it.

But you're buying small quantities of components at retail  (or near) prices, so with all the shippers and middlemen inbetween you are likely paying substantially more that twice what a dedicated production does.  The cart retailer margin may be small but the cost differential to the shooter is all that is of consequence.  Prolly.

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MartynB
23 hours ago, Doctor Lecter said:

wonder what the profit margin is   per 1000  shells      ?    so many variables  .

I don’t think it’s massive . The most competitive prices around here are at a shooting school / clay ground . It probably makes sense for them to take a few quid a thousand on huge volumes , and also get the footfall through the shooting stands . 

On a slightly different note , about 4 years ago one of the last jobs I did before retiring was in Texas . I treated myself to an afternoon on an indoor commercial shooting range in Dallas  . They sold reloads . They wanted to talk you into using a Thompson or an Uzi .  Pay your cash ,  rip through a few hundred rounds , they had the lead for scrap , the brass for reloading ,  quite a clever business model . The Dustbins full of brass behind the shooting booths said it was a successful business as well . 

 

 

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Garwood
On 3/22/2019 at 7:22 PM, perazman said:

Cheddite Universal Trap fibre 28gm 7.5's marked as 2.4mm (330 pellets)

Cheddite Rapeed fibre 27gm 7.5 also marked as 2.4mm (395 pellets)

Get your head around that one!

PM.

Just cut a Rapeed open and make it 2.1 -2.2mm shot in a 2.4mm marked cartridge.Soft lead too by the amount in front of cones!

They break clays ok though.

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Will Hewland

I’ve always liked the almost clear casings on certain shells. Hold them up to a light and you see what you’ve got pretty much. 

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MartynB

Like these ?  😂

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jwpzx9r
5 hours ago, Wonko the Sane said:

But you're buying small quantities of components at retail  (or near) prices, so with all the shippers and middlemen inbetween you are likely paying substantially more that twice what a dedicated production does.  The cart retailer margin may be small but the cost differential to the shooter is all that is of consequence.  Prolly.

 

Living in France we get some reasonable prices for cartridges... mostly French made... but of course the discerning shooters want to use Italian or Spanish cartridges. Now some say there is little or no profit in cartridge sales but we have an enterprising member of a club nearby who buys Clever T2 cartridges and sells them cheaper than I could by them in Italy ... and not just a few cents we are talking 20€ per thousand cheaper than I was seeing them in Italy. In my book it is all about how many you shift per week balanced against what you have to buy to stock your shop/ shooting ground. Not rocket science you might say but people have to buy their cartridges somewhere and there must be many thousands shot everyday of the week somebody is making money! I just do not believe the bullsh*te that shops only sell these things as a loss leader that is total merde in my opinion... oh I only wanted 500 cartridges and came away with a new BerBrownPazzi. Cartridges are the one thing that you have to buy every week to shoot... there is the clue, if a retailer cannot make a profit selling the essential item of shooting there is something very wrong with their business. 

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Hamster
9 hours ago, jwpzx9r said:

 

Living in France we get some reasonable prices for cartridges... mostly French made... but of course the discerning shooters want to use Italian or Spanish cartridges. Now some say there is little or no profit in cartridge sales but we have an enterprising member of a club nearby who buys Clever T2 cartridges and sells them cheaper than I could by them in Italy ... and not just a few cents we are talking 20€ per thousand cheaper than I was seeing them in Italy. In my book it is all about how many you shift per week balanced against what you have to buy to stock your shop/ shooting ground. Not rocket science you might say but people have to buy their cartridges somewhere and there must be many thousands shot everyday of the week somebody is making money! I just do not believe the bullsh*te that shops only sell these things as a loss leader that is total merde in my opinion... oh I only wanted 500 cartridges and came away with a new BerBrownPazzi. Cartridges are the one thing that you have to buy every week to shoot... there is the clue, if a retailer cannot make a profit selling the essential item of shooting there is something very wrong with their business. 

Based on the simple reality that there can be a difference of up to around £15 per thou for the same shell bought from different stores, you can categorically state that the notion that they only do it as a “service” is porkypies.

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squimp

A pal of mine used to sell serious quantities of cartridges as a side-line. He was  a registered RFD and had the space to do it.

I think he has just stopped the operation and coincidentally I may see him tomorrow -  so I wont feel guilty if ask him what the rough profit margins were on the various types of cartridge.....

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jwpzx9r
8 hours ago, Hamster said:

Based on the simple reality that there can be a difference of up to around £15 per thou for the same shell bought from different stores, you can categorically state that the notion that they only do it as a “service” is porkypies.

 

From my perspective It may well be that there is not a huge profit... but the simple fact is nobody can shoot without them, discounting reloads and I am not that sure that reloading is the way to go for anybody shooting a couple of hundred clay targets every weekend. I would say that there is enough to make them well worth the effort of selling them ... well they sell themselves really as said you cannot shoot without them.

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Wonko the Sane

I can only relate what I see around.  Regardless of the cost of new carts vs/ reloads (whatever that may be) many people here still reload.  They do so for many reasons and some shoot lots and some shoot not so lots.  

Takes all kinds, eh?

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