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Rupert

Hoping a seasoned prize winner can clarify the letter of the law so to speak.

 

A pal is on his way back fro Oak Lodge having won his class last month with 2 Quid, 1.50 for 2nd and third.

They state they pay the HG prize from comp entries, i understood that was paid by the ground from shoot entries A Carrot so to speak.

They state they Add and divide across the classes. I doubt very much AA winner drew 2 quid for his efforts but i speculate.

I did think the class money was made up of Comp entries in that class then split among the winners in that class. So in C Class where we are 20 entries is 100 quid so 100 for the top lads in C ????

 

Have i got it wrong?

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Will Hewland
6 minutes ago, Rupert said:

Hoping a seasoned prize winner can clarify the letter of the law so to speak.

 

A pal is on his way back fro Oak Lodge having won his class last month with 2 Quid, 1.50 for 2nd and third.

They state they pay the HG prize from comp entries, i understood that was paid by the ground from shoot entries A Carrot so to speak.

They state they Add and divide across the classes. I doubt very much AA winner drew 2 quid for his efforts but i speculate.

I did think the class money was made up of Comp entries in that class then split among the winners in that class. So in C Class where we are 20 entries is 100 quid so 100 for the top lads in C ????

 

Have i got it wrong?

The normal way of doing it, is HG money is separate, donated by the ground. (I did even win a shoot once going BO but still got paid the HG money).

Then class prizes come from all the £5 (or whatever) is paid in to a pot. Most grounds will then pay the same prizes to 1,2,3 in each class from that pot. (EJC do this). I think some grounds may pay back exactly from each class. So I believe this is at grounds discretion 

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Rupert

Thanks Will,  I have just been back over the scores report for that shoot, they drew £190 in comp entries and paid 2 quid to Win C class and 5 quid across that class. Another pal won B so i will get to know what that was worth.

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chippy

Two pounds for winning C class. Iam reading that correctly?

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Rupert

You are, its an insult, 3 people in C went comp, so they used a 10 er to prop up the better shooters

 

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GlawsterOldCodger
1 hour ago, Rupert said:

Hoping a seasoned prize winner can clarify the letter of the law so to speak.

 

A pal is on his way back fro Oak Lodge having won his class last month with 2 Quid, 1.50 for 2nd and third.

They state they pay the HG prize from comp entries, i understood that was paid by the ground from shoot entries A Carrot so to speak.

They state they Add and divide across the classes. I doubt very much AA winner drew 2 quid for his efforts but i speculate.

I did think the class money was made up of Comp entries in that class then split among the winners in that class. So in C Class where we are 20 entries is 100 quid so 100 for the top lads in C ????

 

Have i got it wrong?

How much £ was comp entry? As three “won” prize money that suggests at least three paid comp entry at the £ rate,

Oops see my fingers slower that your reply, its a shame for your chum that only three in Class went comp, I would have asked questions to the ground on the day, your chum maybe now chasing a lost cause 

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Rupert

Comp entry was a fiver, 3 in c class paid,12 in B,10 in A and 13 AA 

C Class paid !st £2 and 1,50 to 2nd and 3rd

B class winner drew 30 

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Will Hewland

If there were really only a few C class entries, then, well really they shouldn’t be taking big prizes from other classes.. I think this shows that shoots should be allowed to take a view on this and appoint prizes as per how the shoot dictates. However, no way you should be able to pay £5 to enter comp, win it and get less than £5. That’s just nuts. Common sense needed..

in a normal (down south, massive entry) scenario, there is a school of thought that the equal prizes across classes is fair. Often there are fewer AA entries than others, but hey, these guys have spent a fortune becoming that good and paid their dues when in C class. 

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Rupert

This kind of thing, paying less in class than the class contributed dissuades people from entering the comp,and the contribution to the HG prize deffo a no no for us.  A chat this evening with our class comrades has shown an ignorance to this practice and a predictable reduction in fivers offered.

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chippy

Have you thought of how your going to spend it yet?

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Rupert
10 minutes ago, chippy said:

Have you thought of how your going to spend it yet?

I save my fivers and buy rolex

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wylye
1 hour ago, Will Hewland said:

If there were really only a few C class entries, then, well really they shouldn’t be taking big prizes from other classes.. I think this shows that shoots should be allowed to take a view on this and appoint prizes as per how the shoot dictates. However, no way you should be able to pay £5 to enter comp, win it and get less than £5. That’s just nuts. Common sense needed..

in a normal (down south, massive entry) scenario, there is a school of thought that the equal prizes across classes is fair. Often there are fewer AA entries than others, but hey, these guys have spent a fortune becoming that good and paid their dues when in C class. 

So C class shooters deserve less prize money than AA shooters? How does that work then?

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Clynt

You would like to think ,that the grounds sponsor the HG prize >? and all fivers stay in the class they were paid into ...but it all seems to depend on entry numbers nowadays, arguments,and worthy points from all sides .CPSA jib out by saying at reg shoots the ground only has to pay back the dif between T/O and Comp !!!,to where they see fit ? have seen some right cobble ups and still do ...just remember grounds still make the same (or they should ) if you all shoot T/O !!!! you pays your money and takes your chance .... not happy don't attend , doubt you can  change whats going on , they all have buckets full of excuses hahaha:ph34r:

 

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chippy

To make it fair AA and AAA prize money should go to the lower classes. As AA and AAA shooters are competing for high gun prize.

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Clynt
6 minutes ago, chippy said:

To make it fair AA and AAA prize money should go to the lower classes. As AA and AAA shooters are competing for high gun prize.

dont give your day time job up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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chippy
6 minutes ago, Clynt said:

dont give your day time job up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I work in  civil service, iam currently working in the department for international development on the foreign aid budget.

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Will Hewland
9 hours ago, wylye said:

So C class shooters deserve less prize money than AA shooters? How does that work then?

That skewed the principle of what I said, which was its reasonable to pay 1,2,3 equally in all classes, even if there are a few less entries in one of the classes. But equally if there are only three entries in a class it would be stupid to pay them all the same as another class which had 25 entries. For this reason I think grounds need to adopt a case by case policy. 

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Sian
39 minutes ago, Will Hewland said:

That skewed the principle of what I said, which was its reasonable to pay 1,2,3 equally in all classes, even if there are a few less entries in one of the classes. But equally if there are only three entries in a class it would be stupid to pay them all the same as another class which had 25 entries. For this reason I think grounds need to adopt a case by case policy. 

In my naievity I thought all the £5 were put into the pot for the particular class or category where they have them and then got paid out.  I won Ladies somewhere - 3 Ladies shot and I might have been the only one that went comp although possibly 2 of us and I didn’t even win my £5 back.  I don’t know why perhaps they decided then to put my money in the class win?

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Will Hewland
2 minutes ago, Sian said:

In my naievity I thought all the £5 were put into the pot for the particular class or category where they have them and then got paid out.  I won Ladies somewhere - 3 Ladies shot and I might have been the only one that went comp although possibly 2 of us and I didn’t even win my £5 back.  I don’t know why perhaps they decided then to put my money in the class win?

Ladies, juniors, colts often get treated a bit differently as the grounds may have advertised prizes I suppose 

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Sian
1 hour ago, Will Hewland said:

Ladies, juniors, colts often get treated a bit differently as the grounds may have advertised prizes I suppose 

The only advertising I have ever seen is along the lines "cash prizes in classes and ladies, juniors and vets".    Now sometimes you might go to a shoot and they will say ladies (and I presume the other categories) dependent on entries but isn't the reality that the £5 was put towards Ladies or other category and not class therefore it should stay there?  Not that in the end it really makes a whole load of difference to me but I don't see the logic.

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schmokinn

Money should stay in class as its the only fair way to do it,i have a had some AA class shooters tell me they think the class system is wrong and they want it divided equally among the membership thus putting more money into AA to win...obviously doesn't work.

But it is unlikely that anybody but AA plus is going win HG or any additional prizes so i feel that redresses the balance.

Money should stay in class and how many places paid to should depend on entry,why should money be taken from the lower classes to prop up the top when they have the chance of HG.

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Will Hewland

Prize money is marketing. Even when it’s paid by the competitors, so of course ground owners want it to appeal to as many customers as possible. I get that and if it helps shoots stay well attended then that’s great, indeed vital, for everyone.

Shooting is pretty unique though, where lesser skilled competitors compete for the same rewards as higher. (HG aside). 

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GlawsterOldCodger
14 hours ago, Rupert said:

This kind of thing, paying less in class than the class contributed dissuades people from entering the comp,and the contribution to the HG prize deffo a no no for us.  A chat this evening with our class comrades has shown an ignorance to this practice and a predictable reduction in fivers offered.

High Gun £ pot is, as far as Im aware put up by the Ground / Shoot Promoter and not from entries, also as WillH put to pay £5 to enter comp, winning and getiing £2 is “nuts” actually its worse than that but this west country lad is too polite. 

The classes are they not a “comp within a comp” ? Cash from the entrants should stay in class, even at the bookies if you’d wagered a £5 at the most miserable of odds on bet you’d get your £5er plus back.

Ground has got this wrong one feels

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jwpzx9r
6 minutes ago, Will Hewland said:

Prize money is marketing. Even when it’s paid by the competitors, so of course ground owners want it to appeal to as many customers as possible. I get that and if it helps shoots stay well attended then that’s great, indeed vital, for everyone.

Shooting is pretty unique though, where lesser skilled competitors compete for the same rewards as higher. (HG aside). 

Will because clubs are run by the members shooting competitions is very different down here. All the prize fund is drawn from the entry fee and there is no HG and you cannot shoot targets only. So shooting competitions down here is expensive normally €40 -45! If I was paying for targets only it would be €20! I had a discussion with the club president about shooting targets only in competitions as the number of entries for competitions at our club has fallen badly these last few years and targets only could be a way of getting more people shooting but he was not interested? The way I see it shooting competitions should be about the fun of competing first and prizes second. I am in Vet class always have been so to have any chance of getting prize money I need to shoot 90+ and to be honest I am just not that good so like it or not I have to donate €20 to the prize fund just to shoot a competition... only twice in four years have I covered my entry. Now I enjoy shooting comps that is why I do it and pay the price but I can understand why so many shooters just say no and stay away. One thing I will say though that is prize money is very fairly distributed eg winner gets €100 second get €95 third gets €90 there is never a bigger difference than 5 euro between places.

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Jonny English

Orston has just announced this today:

 

 

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