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Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

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jasper

The vote with ones feet is best remedy for this. Time and time again we get targets in the sun and stupid colours which are invisible. Anyone can have a bad day. But I personally avoid shoots which PERSIST in doing this.

As for the rules concerning the scores it's just a simple question of knowing the rules. Shoots which don't know the rules shouldn't be running registered shoots. 

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Will Hewland
3 minutes ago, jasper said:

The vote with ones feet is best remedy for this. Time and time again we get targets in the sun and stupid colours which are invisible. Anyone can have a bad day. But I personally avoid shoots which PERSIST in doing this.

As for the rules concerning the scores it's just a simple question of knowing the rules. Shoots which don't know the rules shouldn't be running registered shoots. 

Jasper.

Four Counties is a 1970s throwback in every respect. As part of a shooting a wide mixture of different grounds I do go there a few times per year, but it’s lacking in several respects. The stand I refused to shoot today, I have waited 30-40 minutes at previous shoots for a cloud  there. Could not be bothered this time. 

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antse7en
4 hours ago, antse7en said:

I just finished at court Farm. 74. The sun and wind were both coming and going but it was ultimately a nice shoot (I’ve really missed it with the weather). 74 was C class HG at the time I finished so fingers crossed it’ll be my first ever. 

74 won it - I’m quite chuffed. 

Picked up a gun for the first time 8/9 months ago, and my form (predictably) jumps around a bit so I feel this’ll be a good platform to kick on with some consistency and confidence! 

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donna
37 minutes ago, antse7en said:

74 won it - I’m quite chuffed. 

Picked up a gun for the first time 8/9 months ago, and my form (predictably) jumps around a bit so I feel this’ll be a good platform to kick on with some consistency and confidence! 

Very well done, huge achievement, just got to keep it up now 👏

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Sian

Southdown for us.  Started on Sportrap and was doing well 23 and 22 then lost the plot a bit 18 and 18 so an 81 to finish.    Quite blustery still there today.  Had a bit of toast and tea and went out onto the sporting.  Shot my first stand and started to feel queezy and after about 4 stands feeling ill I did actually have to throw up which was unpleasant and very akin to the exorcist.  I felt bad still but carried on as it was Inter Counties but really never got going.   A dismal 71.  A shame as I would have enjoyed the course set otherwise.  quite a few no-birds today though.

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Hamster
4 hours ago, Will Hewland said:

Four Counties today. Might be my last visit there..

I did start very badly on my first stand, (stand 8 maybe)?, hitting 4/10. They don’t vary targets much at 4C and this stand almost always has some close floppy clays, but today they were much further out which fooled me. Mashed last pair well with lots more lead. Very silly on my part.

Anyway, went moderately ok round the rest of the tricky course, the wind was bad in places, missing another 10. Was on for a not disastrous 84 if I straighted the last stand. 

I went back to my last stand 3 times hoping for a cloud because the sun was ridiculous. (Stand 9)? Well, of course the sun itself wasn’t ridiculous, but a course setter throwing both targets directly into it was! A big cloud passed over by the time I was almost due to shoot it at third attempt, but it was in direct full sun again while I queued. Fed up by this point, me and my mate decided to quit the shoot, leaving just this stand unshot. I handed our cards in and it got a bit heated in the office because they didn’t understand the CPSA rule that says if a competitor retires, their score is marked against targets shot. I.e 68 out of 84 or whatever, NOT out of 100. So that was uncomfortable, plus I did call it idiocy to set targets right into the sun, which went down rather badly..

I think it’s about time the paying customers started to complain about obviously shoddy course setting, it’s not common but it is frustrating when it happens and most definitely not fair to all who take part.

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donna
1 hour ago, Sian said:

Southdown for us.  Started on Sportrap and was doing well 23 and 22 then lost the plot a bit 18 and 18 so an 81 to finish.    Quite blustery still there today.  Had a bit of toast and tea and went out onto the sporting.  Shot my first stand and started to feel queezy and after about 4 stands feeling ill I did actually have to throw up which was unpleasant and very akin to the exorcist.  I felt bad still but carried on as it was Inter Counties but really never got going.   A dismal 71.  A shame as I would have enjoyed the course set otherwise.  quite a few no-birds today though.

Phil had quite a few no-birds too.  As you say Sian, a good course, I felt the sim pairs were hard enough but with the wind affecting them so much I ended up rushing them. The wind was bitter and I got really 🥶 towards the end.  Didn’t help when we finished and got to the club house looking forward to a hot drink the food counter had CLOSED!  People were still going out onto the course at that time so I felt sorry for them.  Not shot much since Christmas to be honest and was disappointed with my 67 but looking at other scores it wasn’t that bad and was equal 4th in C. Lots of people there so it was good to catch up with people we’d not seen for a while and Pip got lots of strokes and treats so she was a happy bunny 🐶

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Sian
29 minutes ago, donna said:

Phil had quite a few no-birds too.  As you say Sian, a good course, I felt the sim pairs were hard enough but with the wind affecting them so much I ended up rushing them. The wind was bitter and I got really 🥶 towards the end.  Didn’t help when we finished and got to the club house looking forward to a hot drink the food counter had CLOSED!  People were still going out onto the course at that time so I felt sorry for them.  Not shot much since Christmas to be honest and was disappointed with my 67 but looking at other scores it wasn’t that bad and was equal 4th in C. Lots of people there so it was good to catch up with people we’d not seen for a while and Pip got lots of strokes and treats so she was a happy bunny 🐶

Yes what’s going on with the food, no cakes, no sausage rolls - hope it’s temporary.  Blooming cold fed up of wind.

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Markh701

They have changed from outside catering supplier to in-house chef. A bit up in the air today!! 

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schmokinn
7 hours ago, Markh701 said:

They have changed from outside catering supplier to in-house chef. A bit up in the air today!! 

Went in to check my sportrap slot and there was nothing on the counter and the bloke just looked lost seemed like he was on his own!

When we were there last month the bloke from the outside company told us they weren't doing any cooked food after 3 under instruction as it was still winter.

Shame really as there had been an improvement under the outside caterers although they hadn't been there that long and it wasn't to bad before that.

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donna
1 hour ago, schmokinn said:

Went in to check my sportrap slot and there was nothing on the counter and the bloke just looked lost seemed like he was on his own!

When we were there last month the bloke from the outside company told us they weren't doing any cooked food after 3 under instruction as it was still winter.

Shame really as there had been an improvement under the outside caterers although they hadn't been there that long and it wasn't to bad before that.

After 3? That’s just stupid as last entries were 3 or 3.30 I think.  I can understand not doing cooked food but not even a tea or coffee? That’s just putting the kettle on for goodness sake. We ended up stopping off somewhere on the way home so it’s businees lost for them I’m afraid. 

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Will Hewland
12 hours ago, Hamster said:

I think it’s about time the paying customers started to complain about obviously shoddy course setting, it’s not common but it is frustrating when it happens and most definitely not fair to all who take part.

Well, I got my score up on CPSA. Instead of the actual 76/92, I got 74/100. My mate also got his reduced by two hits. I assume we were fined 2 clays for complaining. Oh well, it’s a dropped score if I just leave it, which I will. Good luck Four Counties. I will be in the 21st century if you need me.

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antse7en
19 minutes ago, Will Hewland said:

Well, I got my score up on CPSA. Instead of the actual 76/92, I got 74/100. My mate also got his reduced by two hits. I assume we were fined 2 clays for complaining. Oh well, it’s a dropped score if I just leave it, which I will. Good luck Four Counties. I will be in the 21st century if you need me.

This sounds extremely poor.

But Will, on the plus side does this now make you the new bad boy of shooting? 😎 

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Will Hewland
29 minutes ago, antse7en said:

This sounds extremely poor.

But Will, on the plus side does this now make you the new bad boy of shooting? 😎 

I would need more tattoos and bigger muscles first.. I’m not an angry person, but I do get frustrated seeing anything I care about working well below its potential. I admit, from running a tough business for 30 years, I sometimes forget I don’t actually have ownership of other people’s businesses, so can’t actually dictate their change. What is for sure is that I have to massively accommodate everything my customers need, or I’m finished. Hence I’m frustrated, jealous even, when I see a business that survives but is run badly. I like to think my local pub would turn over another £100k a year if I was in charge. Maybe I have a disorder..

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Doug Pinnegar

I'll be honest, I voted with my feet a while back when I had to fight to get my prize money. Apparently if it's not collected within 3 months it finds a different home. My suggestion to have this rule mentioned on their scores spreadsheet that goes on to Facebook didn't seem to appeal.

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Hamster

I’m afraid when it comes to shooting we seem to have a like it or lump it attitude from some grounds, the core reason is of course lack of suitable land and therefore “competition”, running shoots that tick all the boxes almost all the time is hard work I’m sure but a good few do manage it, what I’ve always found surprising is how constructive criticism is dismissed or ignored by some. 

To physically not know the rules on apportioning scores is just lazy/daft.

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17 minutes ago, Hamster said:

I’m afraid when it comes to shooting we seem to have a like it or lump it attitude from some grounds, the core reason is of course lack of suitable land and therefore “competition”, running shoots that tick all the boxes almost all the time is hard work I’m sure but a good few do manage it, what I’ve always found surprising is how constructive criticism is dismissed or ignored by some. 

To physically not know the rules on apportioning scores is just lazy/daft.

Not that long ago I got joint HG at a 50 bird shoot at Four Counties. They gave the money to the other fella, because I wasn’t there at 3pm for the shoot off. Other fella didn’t have to lift his gun, but because he was there still drinking tea he got the cash. 🙈🤣

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wylye
23 hours ago, Will Hewland said:

Four Counties today. Might be my last visit there..

I did start very badly on my first stand, (stand 8 maybe)?, hitting 4/10. They don’t vary targets much at 4C and this stand almost always has some close floppy clays, but today they were much further out which fooled me. Mashed last pair well with lots more lead. Very silly on my part.

Anyway, went moderately ok round the rest of the tricky course, the wind was bad in places, missing another 10. Was on for a not disastrous 84 if I straighted the last stand. 

I went back to my last stand 3 times hoping for a cloud because the sun was ridiculous. (Stand 9)? Well, of course the sun itself wasn’t ridiculous, but a course setter throwing both targets directly into it was! A big cloud passed over by the time I was almost due to shoot it at third attempt, but it was in direct full sun again while I queued. Fed up by this point, me and my mate decided to quit the shoot, leaving just this stand unshot. I handed our cards in and it got a bit heated in the office because they didn’t understand the CPSA rule that says if a competitor retires, their score is marked against targets shot. I.e 68 out of 84 or whatever, NOT out of 100. So that was uncomfortable, plus I did call it idiocy to set targets right into the sun, which went down rather badly..

Having spoken to a few people this morning who were at the shoot it seems you were the only person to complain and refuse to shoot the targets. Why do you think this is Will? Shoes pinching a bit or what?

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Will Hewland
4 hours ago, wylye said:

Having spoken to a few people this morning who were at the shoot it seems you were the only person to complain and refuse to shoot the targets. Why do you think this is Will? Shoes pinching a bit or what?

Being the only one to complain to the staff doesn’t mean I was the only person pissed off. It was a big talking point. I just don’t have a problem expressing myself. Trust me it was a pain on that stand and many were complaining, just not at the check in desk.  Richard Faulds took a look at it and walked off, returning later. Most people stay quiet, suck it up, wait ages for a cloud (or get lucky immediately with a cloud) or shoot in the sun and miss. Their choice. I returned three times looking for cloud cover and was unlucky every time, maybe more so than most others. But, it was not the first time I had had a nightmare there and frustration is cumulative.

I know lots of people who have a rotten meal in a restaurant then tell the waiter is was fine and leave a big tip. Just not my way..

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wylye

Maybe you should have had a word with Colin? He would have been the one to give you a definitive answer and he was looking for you. The girl on the admin desk was hardly the one to receive a verbal lashing from a customer was she?

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Will Hewland
19 minutes ago, wylye said:

Maybe you should have had a word with Colin? He would have been the one to give you a definitive answer and he was looking for you. The girl on the admin desk was hardly the one to receive a verbal lashing from a customer was she?

Ian this proves how you weren’t there and might want to climb off this rock.. I saw Colin as I walked in the office. He said how’s it going, to which I replied “fine apart from that stand in the sun”. He went “oh”, looked at the floor and walked out. I then handed my cards in and said please score these out of 92 as I’m not shooting one stand, to which the lady (not the young girls) said quite abruptly “no, it’s out of 100”. I told her that wasn’t the rule etc.. plus telling her about the sun stand. I certainly gave nobody a tongue lashing but did have to enlighten her about idiotic course setting when she said they can’t control the sun.. please don’t exaggerate.. I just left saying please enter the scores and left. They then did the scores wrongly and I won’t even be bothering to raise it..

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wylye

I did say I had spoken to a number of people who were there and I did cross - reference the information to verify it. I have no intention of 'climbing down off this rock' as you so eloquently put it. I quite enjoy it up here and at least it might keep you on your toes!

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Hamster

Amazing isn’t it when you’re told to vote with your feet and not return to a place or politely mention what could be improved (which is clearly ultimately advantageous to the ground concerned).................then when you do people who weren’t even there jump in with their size elevens to offer “advice”.

I’m the same I’m afraid, will almost never leave a restaurant or barbers without leaving a tip even for average service but will tell them what wasn’t quite right, why should shooting be any different. 

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jasper

I had the same as Mr Hewland but at oakedge back few years ago. The sun was affecting a stand so badly it was unshootable . I had gone comp. I felt it was unfair so went and asked for the difference between comp and birds only to be refunded to me. They looked at me like I had two heads.

They also had some difficulty in understanding the rules regarding the scores being taken from the stands you had shot, not the full 100.

I haven't been back.

See now they have given up on comps and are corporate only. 😁

Also when you do raise it with course setters you usually get  some unacceptable response ,like , it was ok at 9am this morning and that I should have got out of bed earlier. Poor excuse for carp setting. 

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Will Hewland
8 minutes ago, jasper said:

I had the same as Mr Hewland but at oakedge back few years ago. The sun was affecting a stand so badly it was unshootable . I had gone comp. I felt it was unfair so went and asked for the difference between comp and birds only to be refunded to me. They looked at me like I had two heads.

They also had some difficulty in understanding the rules regarding the scores being taken from the stands you had shot, not the full 100.

I haven't been back.

See now they have given up on comps and are corporate only. 😁

Also when you do raise it with course setters you usually get  some unacceptable response ,like , it was ok at 9am this morning and that I should have got out of bed earlier. Poor excuse for carp setting. 

Jasper.

 

 

I admit, there may be nobody more fussy than me about setting into the sun but I had already shot one other stand yesterday that was quite badly affected, but just about OK if you used the gun and your arm as a sun shield and accepted that you would have a bit of green-eye afterwards.

EJC is a ground that predominantly faces south and they have to work hard not to have the whole shoot ruined in the sun. Apart from winter before 10am they manage it. This is because they care and think about it..

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