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Is anyone else concerned about the number of entries for the Dutch G. P.?   They are approaching 400 Be looking for 460 total!

How they will fit 460 shooters into two days I cannot envisage?

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Jeremy Baker

Eight layouts new system?

I thought he only wanted 400 max?

 

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shootinguru

I hope they don't screw up?

 

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JDL

I understood they have 8 layouts, of which you shoot 4 a day.

In theory they should then be able to double the amount of participants they could accommodate in the past.

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Jeremy Baker
On 6/2/2017 at 5:37 PM, shootinguru said:

I hope they don't screw up?

 

Me too

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schmokinn

Greed gets everywhere generally at a cost to the paying public's experience.

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JDL

They're working hard to make this event something special for all participants.

I would call it ambition instead of greed :wink:.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. (no, I'm not part of the organization)

Doesn't the "I hope they don't screw up" apply for all competitions?

I'm also curious how everything will go, but let's not judge too early.

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shootinguru

No one is judging!  I have run shoots for 30years and that's who I am concerned by the numbers!

 

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JDL

I understand shootinguru, the 'judging' part was a general remark, not a reply on your posts.

Previous years they could handle around 230 participants.

By doubling the amount of layouts, they should in theory be able to double the amount of participants as well.

I have my doubts, but we won't know until August :)

They're not limited to the same area as last years, so that might help.

 

 

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shootinguru

I hope you are right?

 

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shootinguru

I have spoken to Frank Hazzecamp  and he confirms there are 8 parcours and 4 pegs per parcour! This is the maximum number 

It means that there are 32 squads out shooting at the same time! So I am relieved. And there will be lots of new ground used!

 

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JDL

That's what I tried to explain, but apparently he was able to explain it better.

Glad you're relieved.

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Jim Wheeler

The "new style" FSP of 4 stands per Parcour is a bit of a joke, yes, you have 4squads shooting, times the number of  parcour, but, with TWO machines per stand? so, A o/r B, B o/r A, then sim A+B !  its worse than ESP!  certainly far off the original concept of replicating nature! You spend more time walking about than shooting.

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leighH

Jim

There is nothing about 2 machines per stand.

The format for new system now is for 15 singles and 5 doubles.

In the case of  4 stand layout, there will be 4 No machines on 3 stands with a 4th stand having only 3 machines, making 15 in all. However only one stand of the 4 will throw 2 doubles.

Regards

Leigh

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Jim Wheeler

Ok, do you know how they set each stand, and the order of fire, do they swop between singles and doubles? so, 8 parcour`s x 15 machines, 120 machines? or an i wrong?   no wonder it's not popular!

|I have shot two African grands as i described, 2 machines per stand! it was lousy! 

The old system of 3 stands per 25 targets was excellent, as you move around 5 or 6 machines, from 3 very different perspectives. the problem is its time consuming and not cost effective for most grounds that run to make a profit.

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shootinguru

It will be as Leigh explained!  There will be all the machines that are used at the World Fitasc in Hungary plus 100+. of their own!

 

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leighH

Cyril

Saw you at a distance tonight, but did not have chance to catch up. 

See you on Edgar Bros/ Zoli layout.

Regards

Leigh

 

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Olesarge
On ‎2‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 9:55 PM, shootinguru said:

Is anyone else concerned about the number of entries for the Dutch G. P.?   They are approaching 400 Be looking for 460 total!

How they will fit 460 shooters into two days I cannot envisage?

If they use the new system correctly (25 targets over 4 stands with 2 sets of traps, 2 stands on each. 1 squad shooting A&B while another shooting C&D) and keep everyone moving it will still be very tight.   460 will be 2 very long days.   We usually cut off at 240 / 40 squads on 2 Day events even with new system with 8 x 25 target layouts.

460 = 77 squads using all 8 gounds.  Say 10 squads per layout per day @ 20min ??? (probably 30) per squad =  3.5 hours per round x 4 rounds per day = 14 hours minimum with no delays or hick-ups.

On ‎7‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 7:16 AM, shootinguru said:

I have spoken to Frank Hazzecamp  and he confirms there are 8 parcours and 4 pegs per parcour! This is the maximum number 

It means that there are 32 squads out shooting at the same time! So I am relieved. And there will be lots of new ground used!

 

16 squads at a time 2 pegs shoot over same traps (USUALLY)

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leighH

Olesarge

Dont quite understand your timings.

I would have thought squads would start at 12 minute intervals, so 5 an hour. 39 squads therefore just under 8 hours starting with an actual finish time just under 9 (if all to time).

It will mean that once a squad has finished their next layout would start in around an hour. Tight.

Leigh

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Olesarge
On ‎8‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 3:58 PM, leighH said:

Olesarge

Dont quite understand your timings.

I would have thought squads would start at 12 minute intervals, so 5 an hour. 39 squads therefore just under 8 hours starting with an actual finish time just under 9 (if all to time).

It will mean that once a squad has finished their next layout would start in around an hour. Tight.

Leigh

Leigh.  We have been shooting this for 2 years now. 3 traps for two stands (pegs) which mean only 2 squads can shoot on one 25 targhet ground at one time. Whereas with the old 5 targets per stand each with 3 traps then 5 squads can shoot on a 25 target ground at the same time. The benifit of the new system is.  Less than half the acreage required to set 8 grounds and only 48 traps as opposed to 120.  Wish you luck with the timing I hope it all works out.

Dave

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shootinguru

Is this in Wales? Cos I have never shot a shambles like this and called it Fitasc!

 

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leighH

Cyril

I think Dave (Olesarge) is out in Australia and they make use of limited resources (traps etc.) with a system thats a cross between FITASC Sporting and Supersporting. I seem to remember shooting something similar in Rotorua (NZ) back in 2001.

460 was about the entry for the worlds in Warnabool in 2011 (?). That was 4 stands per layout utilising 4 layouts 'changing' after 2 days. 

For 8 layouts of 4 stands they will also need 40 Refs.

Regards

Leigh

 

 

 

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shootinguru

Well it's certainly not Fitasc Leigh!

 

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Olesarge
On ‎10‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 2:05 AM, leighH said:

Cyril

I think Dave (Olesarge) is out in Australia and they make use of limited resources (traps etc.) with a system thats a cross between FITASC Sporting and Supersporting. I seem to remember shooting something similar in Rotorua (NZ) back in 2001.

460 was about the entry for the worlds in Warnabool in 2011 (?). That was 4 stands per layout utilising 4 layouts 'changing' after 2 days. 

For 8 layouts of 4 stands they will also need 40 Refs.

Regards

Leigh

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Olesarge said:

Leigh / Cyril

I was of the understanding FITASC New Style was the same Internationally.  3 traps per 2 stands 4 stands per 25.  I guess 3 traps per stand and 4 stands per 25 would work faster.  Still will not be faster than 5 targets per 3 trap stand where 5 squads can shoout at same time.

Australia not being a super micro island like the uk where you can trip over in London and end up in Edingborough, as such we are not limited to geographical acreage resourse. We have a 3500klm drive to some shoots. However new style does help smaller clubs with limited traps take on state and qualifier rounds.

My experience of Sporting clays in the UK is 30-40m lolipop targets.  Not 60 - 70 m hard driven and lobbed targets and 40m rabbits as per Ausie, France, Belgium and Hungary.

Please let me know what squad sequence and trap layout used for ONLY 8 layouts for 200 targets over 2 days in Holland.  Very Interested.

Kind Regards

Dave 

 

Remember Always the present Aussie FITASC Rankings and our Damien Burgen being world number 1 for a few years.

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shootinguru

Well Dave, you don't have very much experience on UK English,Sporting do you?

 

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