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Sian

This is my gun and I am fighting the urge not to be emotional about your review and I realised it's like anything unless you are an experienced shot it is unlikely that someone will be able to just pick up a gun and shoot it well and not everyone suits every make of gun.  For myself I have found it a great gun and we have progressed well together in our shooting.  As you say it is the "Fiesta" of the guns -  my name for it is the work horse.  For the money though, its paid for itself in winnings.

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ips

um,,,,,I have had a few 686 and found them to be excellent guns in fact I always struggled to justify double the money for a 682. As with all things its very subjective. Trouble is with bad reviews is that your in danger of alienating folk which is probably why you never read a bad review in a mag.

out of interest what is your background and how do you obtain the guns for review and for what reason do you do so.

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Holianl

Wow you really didn't like that gun at all did you Lloyd. Thanks for the honest review though, like ips said its hard to find a bad review about this gun on the web. i mounted one in Malmo a few weeks back and it felt horrible. 

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ips

with respect to Lloyd and anyone else who gives opinion on a gun it is but there opinion and I would not buy or more importantly not buy on the basis of someone else's opinion.

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schmokinn

Think we can safely say he didn't like it!

Not a great fan of Beretta's myself but i think the fact that he repeats himself in every review makes the Fiesta and other remarks stand out.

To much personal opinion and not enough fact.

In general i have found that Browning shooters do not like Beretta fit and vice versa,but pretty much everybody is aware of this apart from him?

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Sian

I am with Ips - try a gun for yourself.  Try not to be star dazzled by the latest "in" gun or be fooled into thinking it turns you into Ed or George or any of the top shots, buy and shoot what you like and what you can shoot with.  It is at the budget end of the Beretta range but like the Fiesta is has sold well over the years.  

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Bebo

Beretta without major alteration tend to suit people with shorter stature, Browning / Miroku the reverse.  I started out with an SP1.  It fitted me well and I liked it.  I'm sure I'd be shooting as well with it now as I am with the gun I currently use if I had kept it.  If it fits and the balance is suits you then it's whats behind the gun that matters most.

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Hamster

I'm afraid you have to judge things based on their price range and segment, almost all experts agree that the cheaper Beretta's represent fantastic value for money although in your defense I will say that if the trigger was that bad then it does deserve special criticism. 

Nothing in the price segment will be as good as that, almost anything bought new will need some modification or money spent refining but I can't think of another gun (bar maybe a grade 1 Miroku) that will handle high volume shooting and lose very little money too. 

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woody

Genuine question. Can the inconsistent mount be the fault of the gun? If yes, why? Poor fit?  The gun is an inanimate object, so isn't the only inconsistency in the mount where you/we put it?

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cockney21

I think to be of benefit to someone looking to buy any of the guns you need to add a bit more fact and take out the "feel" element. If you are being lent the guns to test by a local shop I presume they have an interest in how you review their guns.

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sibaldib

Well done.

It's nice to see someone in the UK doing this.

If you want some pointers on presentation, camera angle etc (non gun specific) you could do no better than look at the MCQ Bushcraft videos on TouTube. https://www.youtube.com/user/MCQBushcraft

An amateur production but very impressive.

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Holianl

I really enjoy Lloyd's videos its just another shooting related video i can watch on youtube, I thought you would have had a new one up by now Lloyd!

1 hour ago, cockney21 said:

If you are being lent the guns to test by a local shop I presume they have an interest in how you review their guns.

I think he can say what he wants in reason Cockney21 as he has slated 1 or 2 guns on his reviews. 

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cockney21

I agree he can say whatever he wants, perhaps I just want the best advice for anyone taking up the sport. There are a lot of people who watch YouTube and take advice rather than do the right thing and seek advice from a professional based on fact rather than personal preference. Reviewing how a gun shoots when it might not be your dimensions is a bit like buying the wrong size pair of jeans and saying you don't like the way they fit. I have never had a Beretta but putting people off because I did not like the feel is not useful, if the build quality was poor then fair enough.

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ips

agree with cockney, gun reviews in fact any review is subjective.

I asked in earlier thread (out of interest no specific reason) what Lloyds shooting background is. It would hold more credence if we knew.

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Paul120
On Fri Apr 21 2017 at 10:18 AM, Bebo said:

Beretta without major alteration tend to suit people with shorter stature, Browning / Miroku the reverse.  I started out with an SP1.  It fitted me well and I liked it.  I'm sure I'd be shooting as well with it now as I am with the gun I currently use if I had kept it.  If it fits and the balance is suits you then it's whats behind the gun that matters most.

Good point. I can't get on with 680 Beretta's. They kick me like a mule on speed and the grip radius is too small and the nose of the comb is too far forward to get a comfortable grip and as Lloyd says it all feels too cramped. Infact much of what he say's I can relate to. 

Stock shape and weight can transform a gun from a dead piece of plank to a joy to shoot. 

Miroku / Brownings just fit me and feel better. If your of a different build then the opposite will be true. 

I guess we may be of similar build 

Fundimentally though there's nothing wrong with them so I wouldn't be put off buying one or selling one if it felt right.  

 

 

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Bebo
51 minutes ago, Paul120 said:

Good point. I can't get on with 680 Beretta's. They kick me like a mule on speed and the grip radius is too small and the nose of the comb is too far forward to get a comfortable grip and as Lloyd says it all feels too cramped. Infact much of what he say's I can relate to. 

Stock shape and weight can transform a gun from a dead piece of plank to a joy to shoot. 

Miroku / Brownings just fit me and feel better. If your of a different build then the opposite will be true. 

I guess we may be of similar build 

Fundimentally though there's nothing wrong with them so I wouldn't be put off buying one or selling one if it felt right.  

 

My husband likes Brownings.  He had a Citori and now has a 725.  I've mounted it and it just feels wrong.  My index finger barely reaches the trigger.  For me, it'd be a horrible gun, for him it's perfect.  I've seen him try my DT10, he can shoot it, but he looks all cramped and hunched up when he does it.

Everyone is different and what suits one won't suit another.

Edit to add - there is a foot difference in our height, so hardly surprising the same guns don't suit both of us.

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Damo

My parents swear by their Ford Fiesta. Not keen myself but that does not make it bad car. Just as I am not keen on Beretta guns. However, Beretta must be doing something right with the silver pigeon as they sell loads. 

However, I do not know why I just never got on with sv10 when I had one. Just did not feel right and I went back to a Miroku.  I feel that myself and my wife buck the norm as being small to say the least, we just get on better with Miroku's. Was this influenced by learning to shoot with a Miroku? Could be, I don't really know to be honest. We both don't like a lot of the Brownings because of palm swell.

Each to there own I suppose. I do not shoot enough to have a truly informed opinion  on whether  a gun is good or bad, we just like what we like. 

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Finners

I must admit, I'm struggling to see the point of these videos. Like the SP1 was for Llyod, these videos just don't fit me. 

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westley
On 2017-4-21 at 9:18 AM, Holianl said:

Wow you really didn't like that gun at all did you Lloyd. Thanks for the honest review though, like ips said its hard to find a bad review about this gun on the web. i mounted one in Malmo a few weeks back and it felt horrible. 

WOW  I am glad those pictures were not on You-Tube  !

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Bebo

New one up on the K80 Parcours.

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ips

still no answer to my question. Does anyone know who the gentleman is and what his background is. ??

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Holianl
10 hours ago, ips said:

still no answer to my question. Does anyone know who the gentleman is and what his background is. ??

I think the short answer would be no ips

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woody
11 hours ago, ips said:

still no answer to my question. Does anyone know who the gentleman is and what his background is. ??

Lloyd put up an intro video on his you tube channel when he started these video's.  He's an everyday shooter just expressing his opinions, and he's using the guns of Bywell shooting ground. 

Nice video Lloyd, keep them coming. Your opinion is as valid as all the other experts on shootclay.

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ips

thanks woody.

for the record I never said Mr Lloyds opinion was not valid nor have I critiqued his videos in any way. I merely wondered who he was .

cheers

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