European Championships Olympic Disciplines

As usual no coverage on ISSF for continental championships so results:

http://results.sius.com/Events.aspx?Championship=EuropeanChampionship2550300mShotgun20150718MariborSLO&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

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Cheers Fred!

Mr Ling Junior, is putting in a stonking perfrmance at the moment, first 50 straight,  good shootingTheo.

Kostelecky has been disqualified? He was showing on the results in the top 10 after 2 rounds but appears to have been thrown out and his scores withdrawn?

Wonder what that's all about then?

DT

Dog Tyred said:

Kostelecky has been disqualified? He was showing on the results in the top 10 after 2 rounds but appears to have been thrown out and his scores withdrawn?

Wonder what that's all about then?

DT

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According to something on DK's Facebook page he was disqualified for using overweight loads. Difficult to fully understand the post as the translation is poor but apparently his cartridges were measured to be 0.1 grams over the max permitted load of 24.5g. According to the FB post this is one extra pellet   Hope they were using accurate scales ??

All rumour and here say at present mind.

DT

Is that the first time anybody has been DQ for overweight cartidges ? (understanding its hearsay at the moment regards DK) having watched them so many times getting cartidge samples taken its the first time ive heard of it ?

dyosk said:

Is that the first time anybody has been DQ for overweight cartidges ? (understanding its hearsay at the moment regards DK) having watched them so many times getting cartidge samples taken its the first time ive heard of it ?

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It happened earlier this year with a Portuguese OT shooter too. 

Nathan has made the finals in fifth place with a 118 (top junior score 122), Theo missed out on the Shoot-off for a final place by 1 target on 116

By my reckoning the Juniors have a team silver medal, missing out on first place to Turkey by 2 targets. 

Come on Nathan

DT

There have been two warnings at Lonato with the same brand of shells as Kosteleky, so possibly the chaps from Verona need to check the shot bushes...

There were four disqualified, the other three were allegedly shooting B&P, Bornaghi and S&B...

There were four disqualified, the other three were allegedly shooting B&P, Bornaghi and S&B...

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At the Europeans?    only two showing on the results, loads of Did not starts though..

Maybe they need some new scales at the shooting grounds...

Interesting post by DK on his Facebook page. Following his DSQ due to overweight loads he took the same batch of shells back to Clever in Italy and they measured 10 random cartridges and all were found to be within regulation. The Team Manager then flew/drove back to Maribor and demanded the Jury test another 10 random cartridges and all were found to be within limits although they do not say how close they were to that limit?

Surely they must test more than one cartridge from each shooter to ascertain a mean result? Even if they do find the one sample to be marginally overweight they should give the shooter/manufacturer the benefit of the doubt and check a further random sample? To exclude a shooter from a major competition on the basis of one randomly selected cartridge seems to be extreme as surely every cartridge manufacturer has the ability to make the odd cock-up in every box.

Apparently under the current regulations there is no control of the samples taken after they are removed from the shooters pockets and the test is done with no team representation present and no photograph record of the results is made? All sounds a bit dodgy to me. In Italy the sample cartridge is sealed into a bag and the shooter signs the seal. The bag is then only opened and the cartridge cut in the presence of the shooter/team manager who witnesses the whole test and can view the calibration certificate of the scales being utilised. All very open and transparent. I would add that surely they should have available two sets of independently verified scales in the case of a disputed cartridge.  

Imagine loosing an Olympic Gold medal because one of your cartridges was found to be 0.1 grammes over weight  

DT

That is all just too like the drug testing used to be.  Nat at all a satisfying situation and certainly not giving any thot to sampling statistics.  Looks like the only solution is a single supplier like the tyre guys for F1 and MotoGP, eh?  hahahahaha

"Higher Speed for both 24 and 28 grams, obtained without increasing the quantity of powder or tightening the crimp closures, but due to the new carbon/quartz lead shot, more spherical and 3% harder and heavier than normal lead shot, to keep high velocity over 35 m."

Perhaps if you invent a heavier version of lead shot you should be very careful about measuring that lead shot by volume which all loading machines do especially as varying shot sizes pack differently. The reported loading error is 2.5% [less than 10 pellets]

Your right Fred but unfortunately the permitted 'loading error' is 2.1%. 

Seems one of the Irish shooters suffered the same fate in Maribor. It would seem that anybody is a potential victim of the cartridge manufacturers 'tolerance' unless they are using specially loaded 'certified' loads. What happens if you buy your cartridges at the competition ground and a random single sample taken out of your pocket is found to be outside permitted tolerances? How is that possibly your fault ? 

DT

It isn't the shooter's fault but 'pour encourager les autres'. If 25gm were permitted, 25gm would be used.

I suspect that if push came to shove it would prove to be the shooter's responsibility to insure that the proper charge weight is being used.

Why would it fall to anyone else UNLESS management (or someone) was providing for all competitors?

Charlie
how can a shooter possibly held responsible for cartridges bought at the ground? Or supplied to them by a manufacturer for that matter? It's not as if they can weigh the shot load independent of the rest of the cartridge. 
 
I refer to to my earlier post as how the process could be improved IMO.
 
DT
 
 

Dog Tyred said:

Charlie
how can a shooter possibly held responsible for cartridges bought at the ground? Or supplied to them by a manufacturer for that matter? It's not as if they can weigh the shot load independent of the rest of the cartridge. 
 
I refer to to my earlier post as how the process could be improved IMO.
 
DT
 
 

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but the shooter is using them and they could be fakes or a special batch made for the shooter etc.  the shooter has to be the responsible one unless he can prove otherwise!