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A very complex and important topic this. Whilst black cartridges with a high brass will obviously make you shoot better, this is balanced by cost and, crucially, other people's perception of you and the pressure this can place on the shooter.

I must say, this thread has made me curious to try some steel shot (on clays)

My 2 cents, but I find the approach the BASC (and the other signatories) are taking to be a bit odd (leaving aside the indefensible lack of involvement of the membership); would be interesting to know their full reasoning behind the decision. I'd say that the animal cruelty angle is far more...

I see no reason not to opt for a 12g. Gun and cartridge choice will allow for minimal felt recoil if required, unless you are extremely recoil sensitive. Main advantage over 20g would be the greater choice of guns and cartridges available. I'm sure more knowledgeable members can provide...

I'm not debating that. Simply stating the (obvious?) fact that at £50 for the plastic and £100 for the aluminium version, pricing seems very steep for what the product is and the other alternatives that seem to be available. It may well be that the product is very effective for some and they...

Just looked into pricing... £50 or £100! This seems ridiculous.

Just to confirm that compared to any 21g load I have shot, the 26g litespeeds are significantly harsher/punchier. As I said right near the top of the thread, recoil was (maybe unsurprisingly given the 2g difference) not dissimilar to a 28g fBlack. My other half, who shoots TT21s, tried one...

This is the sort of statement that the 'bury their heads in the sand brigade love'. I'm not an eco warrior by any stretch and don't go to extremes to avoid plastic use, but I feel this is one situation where, bar a modest cost (on Just Cartridges, Gamebore White Gold is £251 in fibre and £244.50...

I'd add that I personally believe that plastic wads should be phased out (via regulation/legislation) as it is difficult for anyone to argue against the need to reduce plastic use in general.

This depends a lot on individual circumstances. .. Plastic: cheaper has better patterning on average (the impact on actual scores likely to be slim to nothing?) no wad 'confetti' more environmental impact can't be used at a lot of grounds outside of registered comps Fibre...

Picked some fibre ones up at the weekend and am very impressed. For the money, absolutely no complaints whatsoever. I'll be switching to these from the fBlacks due to the considerable savings and negligible impact on my scores (as a casual, non-competition, shooter). When I was pointing the gun...

Sounds good. I'll definitely get some then.

Has anyone seen/tried these? Saw them at a local gun shop and was curious. I tend to either shoot fBlacks or TTOnes; these are claimed to be the same speed as fBlacks, but similar price to TTOnes (although this is obviously in part due to them being 26g as opposed to 28g)... Will pick some up...

My SGC was granted without a cabinet having been fitted at all as I didn't own a gun at the time. After installing a cabinet and purchasing a gun a few weeks later, I informed the police using the correct channels; there was no follow-up visit to inspect the cabinet. A couple of months later, I...

Thanks all. I'll look to pick up a slab of either Black Gold game or F3 game in 30g 6 shot.

Hi All, I'm doing a couple of days of walk-up shooting in Scotland in December. It's my first time, so looking for some advice on cartridges. I'm assuming I need somewhere in the 28-32 gram range and 5 or 6 shot size, but not at all sure exactly what to go for (I'd much prefer a single...

Thanks all!

Hi All, I'm doing my first game shoot in December, so have been practicing on the clays with my wife's 687 game as my mk38 is too heavy to use for walk-up. Just wondering if anyone could shed a bit of light on what the "L" engraved on the trigger guard stands for. I've read claims for both...

I'm a big fan of the fBlacks. Been shooting the fibre version on and off since I started shooting a couple of years ago. I've been using TTOnes recently and fBlacks for longer stuff as they give me more confidence and better breaks. Going forward, I might just stick with fBlacks. For £20 more...

I would second having a lesson to ensure you have the basics in place if you haven't already had one. I also recommend watching a few videos online in the meantime as having a rough idea of what you should be doing is a good start, even if the execution can be a bit trickier... This one is a...