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  1. The point being though, you don't have to shoot and be the best to get a place in the finals. In fact looking back at day one, there were 2 people that finished joint 70th, yes joint 70th of 82 A class shooters, and are back for finals with a chance of a podium finish in class, although they only qualified through category. There are even people in one of the categories that just had to turn up on the day, colts only 2 turned up on the day and both make the final. To me that just just makes a mockery of the whole thing. This is the British shooting flagship event of the year. To me the CP
    11 points
  2. Hi everyone, just to confirm the rumours. We are happy to have been given the chance to take over the reins at 4 Counties SG. Many thanks to Colin,Steve and Hayley. I,m sure plenty of you have shot at this very pleasant venue in the past. We are looking at obtaining some extra land, which will facilitate some additional target setting potential. We will be running along similar lines, with some Sunday practise, and also a 100 esp registered once a month. First registered competition will be Sunday 25th October. Please call or text to book a squad time. 07979 874887 (Sean Ponting)
    8 points
  3. Are we allowed to be rude about 20g in our responses?
    5 points
  4. Shot the BO yesterday too. First time at a major Comp. Definitely a bit nervy and stiff as a result. Everything much closer than I expected, much of which I misread and overled as a result. My shooting was pretty terrible all around, had about three decent stands I think. All good experience though. The 420 mile round trip as well as taking three and a half hours to get around has left me absolutely knackered today.
    5 points
  5. Quite right, the best shooters will qualify for the final, and best shot on the day will be British Champion. The rest though, unless they have delusions of grandeur, are competing for their respective class medals. I don't see how it is right that someone can shoot badly, finish 70th in class, on the day of qualification, and come back and win a Class medal. The top 5 on qualification day go through in class, the others only qualified through category. When I enter any big competition, for me I am entering to try and win my class, I am not delusional enough to think that I could win the title
    5 points
  6. ... And yet there are people that shot less targets than you in AA, that have made the finals. Yes, they may have qualified in category, but they will also be eligible for a class medal and cash in the final, that they never qualified for. Not only that there are 3 A class shooters that never finished in the top 40, yes, that's right the top 40 of A class on the day, yet are in the final, and that is only on the first day. No wonder this sport can and never will be seen as a serious sport, and attract decent sponsorship, You couldn't write this sh*te.
    5 points
  7. There’s more to it than that. There‘a a reason why trap shooters shoot trap guns rather than modified sporters, it’s because they’re made for the job. Trap guns generally have wider stocks at the comb and heel, a wider radius grip, often with a palm swell, heavier barrels with a wider sighting plane. The additional weight and altered dimensions makes for a solid shooting platform. Stability comes at the expense of barrel speed. The long and short of it is you need a trap gun if you wish to shoot DTL to a consistently high standard. As the old phrase goes, a jack of all trades gun is
    4 points
  8. It's a cartel, end of.......🙂
    4 points
  9. Shot the BO ESP and STP today. Both very good courses. Early start and no time when we got there as we ran late so straight onto STP which just mad e me jittery and I started badly and didn’t get much better so let myself down on that. Nearly 3 hrs driving and then straight on does not work for me, Tony shot off for 3rd in Class and got it. ESP again my wits were not about me. Shot a few stands well but that was about it. Took my battery powered cart which really did save my shoulders and back. Only ran over one person’s foot but it was Adrian Balham so that was okay.
    4 points
  10. Totally agree with your thoughts, it should be as every CPSA registered shoot is, class OR category and you state that when you enter. I’m dreading next year when I get to the counter and they say “ladies, class or vets” 😳 Sometimes Ive entered ladies, then found if I’d gone in class I would have won something or vice versa, that’s the chance you take.
    4 points
  11. Nope, goes on your age and gender. You pay one fee and you can end up in 3 class/categories if it all falls right. You could be in juniors, ladies, and class, if you are female and under 21. Females over 60 get 3 goes in vets, ladies and class. If you happen to be female between 21-59 you get 2 goes in ladies and class, a male over 60 gets 2 goes in vets and class, a male between 21-59 you only get 1 go as you are only entered in class. So some people get 3 goes at the cherry, some 2, and some only get the one go at it. Although they put a senior category on just for this competition, that dis
    4 points
  12. Don’t forget that any stock sitting in the warehouse costs the producer money . They won’t have held any excess stock when the shooting grounds closed I don’t know what the stock turn of a cartridge manufacturer is but I bet it’s quite quick perhaps 10 or 12 times a year ? Obviously they may build up bigger seasonal stocks for game shooting. I’d have thought rather than a glut , those buying in overseas components and powders might even be looking at production problems . As far as pricing goes they’ll charge what the market can stand . We are the mugs that drive that listening to the hig
    4 points
  13. Steady 85 at AGL this morning; was pretty chilly early on and it took me a few stands to get moving properly which resulted in some silly misses including 2 of the going away battues on 1. Went 6-10 only one away then got to 11 and had a disaster, completely mis-reading the battue going way in front and I could not pick up the edge on orange midi in the grey sky and hit 1/8. Apart from that eyesight test it was a good shoot.
    4 points
  14. Did the EJC 150 Cup today. The first layout of 75 is on all-new ground cleared alongside the entry road and behind clubhouse. So nice to shoot a new venue effectively. GD targets were as expected. You don’t see many showing face, with fast and tricky being the theme throughout the 150. 2 layouts of 9 stands per course. There are 6 stands with three traps presenting a mix of singles, o/r and a sim pair. Fairly happy with 85% on red course. Blue course, I was shooting OK until near the end when I tripped up badly on two sequence stands. Stand 16 was a disaster and I wasn’t go
    4 points
  15. Westfield today with a lovely squad and my trolley was a treat. Shot extremely well for me from stands 1 to 7 only losing 5 of the 58:targets and then shot like a tw*t from 8 to 11 and then redeemed myself on 12. Never touched the 2nd bird on stand 9 and then stand 10 was my worst stand, stand 11 was just me carrying the disappointment of stand 10 with me. 78 to finish. Two lots of driven but got some and all my teal and my timing on my sim pairs was good.
    3 points
  16. I’m not mincing my words I was truly fxxkxd off at AGL. Few colour clays well I just live with it but FIVE stands where my height was an issue and it just ruined it for me. The shells for the three stands - you can pay me to shoot the first and the last one.
    3 points
  17. Oxfordshire today, bit chillier than the forecast I saw, I do now go out fully prepared for all weathers and had appropriate clothing! Not with usual chums as they went to AGL for the Express Masters(?) and joined a gang of similar aged / ability more social than serious competitor type shooters. For those not been Oxfordshire is quite a compact ground compared to most, nice clubhouse and loos that put many a hotel group to shame, fairly decent tea, cakes & judging by plates hot food too. My P gun is away at the surgeons so it was the MK38 which got a very very rare outing toady, although
    3 points
  18. You beat me to it El. If anyone turned up in one of those at any place I shoot , they’d have the piss ripped out of them mercilessly.
    3 points
  19. I’ve just had a quick look at the latest accounts for Gamebore , Hull , Eley and Express on companies house . After tax they are making 5-10% profit approx on sales turnover . Gamebore being the most successful in sales and profit
    3 points
  20. Shot the british sporting and sportrap yesterday, in A class for both events. Finished on 86 in the sportrap and 90 in the sporting. Thought both courses were really entertaining, Steve has done a great job with the targets. Felt like I shot the sportrap pretty decent, but just couldn't get flowing on the sporting, deliberating and bleeding targets everywhere, also struggled with miss reading too many targets. Once I'd done enough damage to throw the shackles off and let the gun fly had some awesome stands, should have done that from the start really. All in all a really good pair of courses w
    3 points
  21. I've spoke to a few people that have asked about it, and the reply is nothing is going to change. There is a post on CPSA fb page this week, by one of the regional directors, and in that even he says that he has no idea about the qualification process, and had to ask Clare about it, he had to give up and walk away. So what chance have we got if regional directors don't have a clue. I did ask the question to him, but to be honest I wouldn't expect a reply on fb, or by direct message from him. In fact I have even had a reply before from Clare, and all she churns out is, 5 top scores for class, a
    3 points
  22. Martin have you considered putting your thoughts onto paper / email and asking CPSA directly about these valid points?
    3 points
  23. Just home from Churchill's. Another enjoyable round, made better by the fact that I shot it with Donna's dog! I had a pleasant chat with her husband as well, but the dog was definitely the highlight. Interesting mix of targets. I felt I shot most of it fairly well, missed a few silly ones on Stands 4 and 5 that I shouldn't have. The big challenges for me were on the last two stands. The sim pair on 11 was a little bit daft, a battue and a long crosser. Taking either of them first means a crosser dropping into some bushes or a battue plummeting earthwards. I managed one pair and mis
    3 points
  24. Same for fuel prices, the bastards reduced it to just over a quid and now they’re squeezing us dry by a massive price rise. Shells are the exact same.
    3 points
  25. ...And so the annual farce begins again.
    3 points
  26. Coleys today, they were running a bit late so our 2.30 start time slipped, it was wet, got chilly too, again in a squad of good chums all of which are usually there or there about at the top of their class, do wonder how they put up with a blunderer such as I. Shot three stands badly, didn't touch an incoming orange looper which was a poor effort on my part, did let a few get away that maybe I shouldn't, shot the "longer" targets very well and finished bang on my adj average, so it was on my part, average. The shoot itself deserved better weather, and as a course it was a far better shoot than
    3 points
  27. A very good course at Ian Coleys today I thought. No really easy stands and while everything was a good test there was nothing stupidly tough. Shame we got bloody wet near the end as the rain came in early. I had two stands that ruined my card, the first being stand 2, where I hit the first 7 clays and missed last three! Very annoyed at that. I also never hit a crosser on stand 9, just couldn’t read it. Finished on a decent 87 considering the damage elsewhere. An enjoyable shoot!
    3 points
  28. Started this morning with AGL started badly on stand one. I think I would have rather done that stand after doing a few to limber up a bit. I also found stand 11 hard. I think I did okay but don’t know my score. Then on to EJC which we shot through because if we’d taken a break the light was fading fast. Bit of rain but intermittent. Good squad including Sam Green, a pleasure to watch. I did okay on the first course but the second was far harder for me and towards the end I did feel tired. A good days shooting and finished on 110 so happy with that.
    3 points
  29. Shot Churchill’s late afternoon yesterday, so unfortunately ran into the thunder, lighting and torrential rain. Nice set of targets apparently set by Mr Digweed, although noticed Jamie Peckham from Promatic lurking. Don’t know if he was assisting but certainly had his stamp on them. Apart from the last 3 stands nothing was outrageous but lots of tricky angles. Really liked the “super sport” style stands, well liked the set on the first layout. By late afternoon the light started to go just before the storm hit and I personally struggled to see some of the targets that were not against
    3 points
  30. Very true, but these guys shoot high volume in practice which makes all the difference.
    3 points
  31. I ducked out of AGL today as BBC shows 48mph winds. Added to my current form that could lead to a score comparable to my shoe size. The rare opportunity to shoot at West London in the Premier League final awaits on Saturday in better weather. Happy memories of that going rather well for me last time there in 2018 which I’m sure I won’t repeat by a mile this time. Great venue though. Courses have been a bit up and down over last four years so let’s hope for a good one.
    2 points
  32. and one that cannot be answered. Everyone is wired differently and what works for one set of wiring may or may not for a different schematic. The trick, of course is to optimize the use of your own particular wiring. In a purely practical approach fractional differences in chokes (in my experience) are not discernible. Even on the plate the diff between 1/2 and 5/8 or 1/2 and 3/8 is a push. In the Perazzis with factory screwins first barrel performance from #4 to #5 to #6 all will smoke a target (DTL) and I shot a pigeon gun 70cm barrel w/#3 first barrel at OT a lot with low 20's scor
    2 points
  33. Longridge saturday for a practice round, a place I've visited may a time for lessons, practice, ESP reg & FITASC and always found it a and decent & sometimes near impossible place for me to shoot well, on tod, still with MK38, took youngest prog to push buttons and, it was for me the most satisfying round Ive shot there, yep a few of the bigger l-r got away, they were though big enough for most, happy bunny, so much so Ive given myself the day off from shooting today as oddly not desperate to right a wrong from my last shoot. For all of you out toady, do enjoy and hope all goes well
    2 points
  34. Target shooters do indeed block the non shooting eye out, but it's a stationary target their aiming at. It's not really helpful to do the same with clay shooting, but some people do block out the central part of the non shooting eye on their glasses but leave the peripheral vision part clear
    2 points
  35. What he said! And they look very Donald Trump-esque, so not sure how well they'd go down on this side of the pond. Each to their own.
    2 points
  36. British was well run at Garlands, fair targets with nothing silly. I was doing reasonably well until stand 12 with the 2 driven, where I dropped 4; didn't get my feet right at all and pulled off line. This just then put a bit of pressure on the last 3 which were pretty tough - 93/120 Some work to be done on the longer stuff, think I'm being a bit keen and putting big gaps on but not really moving/connecting with the clay.
    2 points
  37. @Cosmicblue I wish you would talk to my employer. I’ve been trying really hard for the past 18 months to get the execs to understand that price and value are not the same thing. Pricing fear and irrational discounts coupled with a lack of understanding of customer acquisition costs has resulted in unsustainable losses. With. VC fund to lean on, the notion of “proving sales” was considered more important than proving profitable sales. Thankfully they’re turning a corner and starting to realise that wonderful enabling technology won’t enable anyone if it so ceases to be by a
    2 points
  38. Nope - it's all back to 'willingness to pay'. It is the same problem for manufacturers and their distributors/retailers. In the Just Cartridges example that's simply someone saying I can make more profit if I own more of the supply chain. We actually see it in every aspect of our daily lives but are often unaware of it, the the buyer's perceived value of the brand that is under consideration has a considerable bearing on how much we are prepared to pay. Supermarket vs Shell or BP fuel is a good example. Jocker budget cartridges vs Gamebore - both go bang and break targets co
    2 points
  39. Graded five times too no less! and shinier than the shiniest shiny thing from shinyville during the shiny festival measured them shot with a micrometer I did. For those that don’t know, a micrometer is like a G clamp but with numbers on to make you look more cleverer. biggest variation in shot size... sorry, biggest variation in shiny shot size of any cartridges I’ve cut open and measured in my non shiny, very dull and annaly retentive nerdy life. Still makes them there clays vanish though PS... try saying “shiny shot size” after a few measures of 16 year old
    2 points
  40. No wonder those Gamebores are expensive, they've got diamond shot, bet it catches the light lovely when you break the clay 😃
    2 points
  41. I love that ground, never been disappointed when Ive shot there ever but it’s such a long way for us we only shoot the “special” comps, wish it was nearer to me!
    2 points
  42. First time at Barbury for me and it wont be my last , organisation was exceptional all running very smoothly, friendly staff on hand to answer any questions. Targets where excellent you can tell a lot of thought had gone into it , something there for everyone , ground was very well presented Well done to all the staff at Barbury
    2 points
  43. Shot the Churchill cup today,after a bad night and a long drive i knew it wasn't going to be my day but i manned up and got on with it. Very much straight it or F it up for me today,did better on the harder stuff but some of it seemed ridiculous. I think it was stand 4 on the blue Orange and a Pink incomer for most of our squad the pink was on the floor by the time they had shot at the orange,they werent even getting a second shot off. Edge on green against a green background was a struggle for most and the going away orange on 6 would have been a struggle to see for the more ve
    2 points
  44. i shot this on friday , targets set by george digweed and thought that it was was a very good , interesting set of targets much better than the world champs he set a couple of years ago at ej churchills, this is going to be a yearly shoot with a very nice trophy they have had made , im sure this competition will take off, 3 days this year finishing today with some good scores in already. hope to shoot it again next year. has anyone else shot it and what did you think ?
    2 points
  45. AGL for me too. Bad start, dropping 7 over the first two stands. Overleading the 2nd bird on Stand 1 and missing 3 of the floppy things on 2. Picked up after that and was pleased to straight Stand 7 (the quartering away looper and teal). Dropped a couple of really soft going away the first sim pair, trigger flinch and just pushing over. Stand 11 was tough. Hit the first battue, then missed the next two pairs. Finally found that midi and killed the last pair for a 3. Finished on 77.
    2 points
  46. Dave Gooding - 144!
    2 points
  47. I heard JBD shot a 142 which is amazing.
    2 points
  48. Just back from EJC as well. Red course, I shot the first 5 stands well (dropped 5 I think) then had a meltdown on the sim pair on Stand 6. Killed the first pair and then lots the plot, glancing at the second bird while shooting the first and missed two pairs. Managed to bugger up the 1st of the 9 target stands - couldn't find the A bird at all (in front I think, although it was a very awkward line so that may have been the issue). Stand 8 and 9 I did well on, last bird dropped on 8 and only 2 away on 9. Blue course was a different story. Two's and three's away on every stand for t
    2 points
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