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  1. 5 points
    Shot at EJC yesterday in a small group, giving each other space. Didn't venture out today, the idea of a crowded Sunday reg didn't sit right with me. Hoping we can start to get back out later on in the year!
  2. 4 points
    I imagine this thread might quieten down a bit for a while... It was Longridge for me on Sunday. Shot with Colin, Turkey, and Luke. We all started well, and continued pretty well! We shot the course in order 1-11 but skipped 5 due to a breakdown. After we shot stand 11 I noticed an error on my card which meant we had to speak to the ref on stand 10. This resulted in me counting my card... Anyone want to predict what happens next? Yep, I was on for my first 90 if I straighted stand 5. Anyone want to predict what happend when the first bird came out on stand 5? I ended on a joint PB on 89.
  3. 4 points
    And the exact opposite could happen, you could be too far in front with a fast cartridge but a slow one would chip it. Just to give you rudimentary high school physics that doesn’t take into account loads of variables including very important ballistic ones and the fact everything is slowing down. However it does give an indication as both the 1450 fps and the 1375 fps at same shot size will be subjected to similar forces although the faster shot will be subject to a greater resistance so will initially slow slightly quicker. For a 40 yard clay travelling at 40 mph. time = distance/speed 1450fps flight time to 40 yards = 120/1450 = 0.08276 seconds 1375fps flight time to 40 yards = 120/1375 = 0.08727 seconds Difference in time = 0.00451 seconds Clay travelling at 40 mph = 59 fps rounded up distance = speed x time 59 x 0.00451 = 0.26609 feet Which means the clay has travelled 3.19 inches in the time it takes 1375 fps to get there compared to the 1450 fps. 3.19 inches at 40 yards is nothing to worry about. Caveat : this is just high school physics I am not getting into air resistance and ballistics as stated above it is just as a guide.
  4. 3 points
    Changing the subject completely but still Beretta. They have been making things for breathing equipment in hospitals. 👏
  5. 3 points
    Perhaps as we go into no real time reporting on shoots we should re-live and report on best moments in days gone by.
  6. 3 points
    Back in the day I had an Ultra XS for quite a few years as my main gun. I will give you a run down on the faults with it and what they have changed for the pro version. As Westward says the XS were very nose heavy like a pig on a shovel, one main reason was the standard Midas chokes were made of the heaviest substance known to man. I swapped them out for lighter Briley ones and put some weight in the stock to make the gun handle as I liked. The pro version comes with weights and light Briley chokes included. The adjustable stock was only locked by one bolt for all directions of movement, this would unwind and self-adjust the stock mid shoot at random times of the year, nothing I did could stop it. The pro version now comes with multiple locking bolts for the different directions. The Bakelite butt pad was some kind of torture weapon from the middle ages on all high or driven birds. The pro version has different butt pads. Basically, what I changed or wished I could have changed on my Ultra XS to make it a very good gun has been done on the pro. I shot about 300 clays a week with the XS for a number of years and it never once broke.
  7. 3 points
    The original Ultra XS from about 20 years ago was a cumbersome beast with terrible balance and poor dynamics thanks to the very heavy barrels which even the adjustable stock couldn't compensate for. They did look good though but unfortunately for Browning, Beretta came along with the 682 Gold E which set a new benchmark for sporting guns. The modern XS Pro and it's predecessor the XS Titanium are very different from the original in terms of balance, weight distribution and handling. The original was based on the 425 so the Pro probably is based on the 525. Every gun is generic though and the 525 itself has gone through several changes. What has remained constant for about 30 years is the action design.
  8. 3 points
    IMHO it's the best Miroku built sporter. Good balance and weight distribution, light-ish barrels and fairly decent trigger pulls. It is indeed based on the pre-725 action, as are all the Miroku branded guns. The only slightly weak point with all the Citori and Miroku models (including the 725), is firing pin erosion, especially the bottom one, it's not a big deal but it pays to inspect them regularly. Chris Childerhouse has been using Ultra XS and XS Pro for years and he seems to do okay.
  9. 3 points
    Well I'm surprised at these horror stories. Anyone who would have a gun, live shells and snappies all out at the same time and in the clubhouse should have their licence revoked.
  10. 3 points
    Most Cartridge manufacturers use a test rig so the bore and choke are the best design to get the most velocity out of them and not always realistic to what you shoot. In the UK manufacturers tend to measure observed velocity at 2.5m then some calculations to work out the muzzle velocity. Some manufacturers are, let’s say, very creative in these back calculations.
  11. 3 points
    I think there are at least 2 long and painful threads on here somewhere that deal with this; PLEASE find them. 😄
  12. 3 points
    Imo pattern testing is exactly that, poi / poa is best evaluated on a DTL type target were gun speed and other factors enter the equation. From my experience (40 yrs) poi / poa evaluation on a plate will mess your head in.... just my opinion of course
  13. 3 points
    Went also, wore a coat & never felt warm enough to remove, that apart weather after horrid last few weeks was rather decent. Was in a group 4 & 1/2 jolly nice afternoon out, our start was somewhat jinxed when two old stooges informed us that "its easy 100 straight on cards" they then proceeded to grumble on about the shed load they had missed! Not the most taxing of courses, it not a large ground was more than enough to trip me up, do rue on a few too many lost though did afford a inward smile on more than enough to have had a decent enough afternoon. Oh did with others in the not quite empty club house have jolly decent cup of tea and quite nice slice of cake, what's not to like.
  14. 3 points
    Hi everyone, just a post to confirm that the 100 esp reg in April is on SATURDAY 4th April. There will be no shoot Sunday 12th April. This is to keep a promise that we would,nt hold any shoots on bank holiday weekends. The competition for May will revert back to the second Sunday. Sorry for any inconvenience, please call me on 07979 874887, with any queries.
  15. 2 points
    What a cracking way to deal with the idiots who refuse to remain at home ?
  16. 2 points
    Ok. I'll have a pop at Sian's suggestion. I'd like to take you all back to the 2018 English open at AGL. So we'll go back two weeks before if I can. Drilled through my thumb at work. Right through . Then ripped the drill out through the side.😁. You can't really comprehend just how sharp a carbide drill is until you got one through your digit . And then it swells up like a balloon with infection. Was properly tender. 😫 Great preparation. Funnily enough me friend, who was booked on with us , tried to take his fingers off with a lawn mower the week before. 😁😁😁😁 .He had to give up his place . I soldiered on . Tried to shoot garlands the week before AGL with not much success. So a bit of a quandary. Give up my spot or have a go. Decided to have a go. We arrived at the ground on Saturday with reports of tough targets ringing in our ears. Met up with some of our squad , shot the pool shoot ,terribly. So off we go to the main event quite low on confidence. Straighted the first two stands . Then to the first card killer 3 monster battues. 4 away . Ouch. Straighted next. Then onto five . Quartering away rabbit and that nasty low right to left. Scraped a four here I think. Then the rain starts . Can things go more wrong. I'll jump now to stand 8 . Which had another absolutely massive left to right battue. Straighted that. Phew. Hard work. Turns out there were only 3 straights all week on that stand. So the rest of the round was ok. A couple away until 11 I think. Which had a couple of tasty targets as I recall. Think maybe managed half here. Did ok on the rest until the last stand Which was on the platform with two close targets beneath your feet. Thought I had done quite well and would have fair score. Then dropped two here .grrrrrr. So off we trot to the clubhouse for a look at the scores. At this point the big boys were around the 106/107/110 ex 120. Then a 114? Pops up. Incredible. So maths not being a strong point. I adds up me card on the blurry photo on me phone about 15 times..... 102. What if for a couple of sloppy misses. Anyhow The 102 actually won A class for me. Happy days. Jasper.
  17. 2 points
    Westfield today, a squadded shoot, was with chums so despite the bitter cold and brief bit of face stinging wet stuff was always going to be a pleasant day. Have always found the place a big challenge, more often than not sent home tail between legs type of challenge. Had a decent start, odd wobble, missed some, hit some, actually hit quite a bit of the bigget stuff and all things considered had a very good day out. Managed to drink a few complimentary teas and stuff a few biscuits, actually quite a lot of biscuits, felt duty bound seeing as MrLovatt had made the effort to put them out. Would like to think this Friday shoot lark will be regular, it’s out of all our hands though. Good luck all, and take care of yourself & yours.
  18. 2 points
    Honesberie closed until further notice. Via Instagram. Just now. Eriswell lodge also. Jasper. Take a good hard look at yourselves people.
  19. 2 points
    WHAT ! Not even the dodgy firing pins ? I have owned Browning Miroku guns since the 1960's and I have NEVER had to replace or even repair any of their firing pins, or mainsprings for that matter. I currently have a 725 black, oh, and a Winchester Pigeon Grade that has never had new firing pins in the last 40 years. However the 725 S3 has given me some problems with misfires. Upon stripping out the pins I found that the bottom pin was sticking, this was due entirely to carbon build up, the top pin was fine and never gave any trouble in the first place. A few minutes with some GT 85 and a piece of ultra fine wet and dry and then some gun oil and the pin was moving as it should. I think that due to being gummed up, the pin was not fully retracting and therefore the hammer was not giving a full strike. I carried out this clean up last year and some 1000 cartridges later it is still performing as it should. The firing pins, inspected under a magnifying glass were perfect. I did take the precaution of ordering new firing pins and a spring kit from America though. I somehow feel that they will not be required for some time.
  20. 2 points
    Yep. He won the World Fitasc title with it.
  21. 2 points
    Doesn’t Sam Green also use one?
  22. 2 points
    Apologies Lloyd... but it’s a bit subjective. Bottom line is nobody finds them very useful, others even dangerous (if you think they are in and they are cartridges). No harm if used, possibly no benefit either these days is the general feeling.
  23. 2 points
    In simple terms yes, however ‘most’ modern cartridges will do the bulk of the acceleration in the first 10” then after that it will continue to accelerate but at a greatly reduced rate, but its maximum velocity will be at the end of the barrel. We then have the fact choke can increase velocity but I am not getting into that one again🙄😀. In the very simple calculation, I just took the difference in velocity of 100fps over 32” with no acceleration so this is the maximum difference it could ever be for a 100fps difference. In reality the difference in velocity could be less than 100fps until right at the end depending on the burn rate which means the clay has moved even less than I quoted. Therefore, a clay will have only moved a couple of centimetres, if that, between the fastest commercially available cartridge and the slowest just taking the barrel into account. If you are adjusting lead, perceived or otherwise because there is 2 cm difference at the clay between the fastest and the slowest available cartridge getting there then yes, I would question the statements veracity.
  24. 2 points
    If you look at the simple calculation I did earlier 100 fps difference over the full 40 yards means the maximum a clay travelling at 40 mph moves is about 3 inches, obviously in the real world it will be less than 3” due to the velocities involved not being constant and everything slowing. Just taking the time spent in a 32” barrel means that for every 100 fps increase in velocity a clay travelling at constant 40 mph has moved 0.1 of an inch. Perceived leads are not going to change with 0.1 inch increments, what you are saying is you have to cut back your lead by 0.3 of an inch (7 mm) because you are now using 1400 fps rather than 1100 fps. As with the other calculation it will be less in the real world as it doesn't take into account acceleration and deceleration of everything involved but just indicates perceived lead doesn't really change and just in the eye of the beholder.
  25. 2 points
    A very interesting topic. When we consider that the average speed of a clay is travelling at about 58 feet per second Cartridge manufacturers claim speeds of circa 1400 to 1600 fps at the muzzle (but then slowing appreciably down range) we really shouldn't have any worries about cartridge speed catching a clay ? Interestingly I know a young Butcher's apprentice from Hastings who has won many a World and National clayshooting title using a cartridge called Kent Champions with a claimed velocity of 1150 fps . Kent's are no longer available (although I can give you the recipe) but the lad went on to use Gamebore White Gold at a claimed muzzle velocity of 1450fps ( remember it is slowing after leaving the muzzle) .
  26. 2 points
    to quote a ex world champion coach when you shoot a competition and call for a report or sim pair of pattern plates , until that happens test your pattern on a dtl target , it will tell you all you need to know !
  27. 2 points
    The simplest way to home load .410 is to buy new primed cases and close the case in the traditional way using an over shot card. Then little tooling is required other than a spinner used in a small bench drill and a set of cheap digital scales to weigh the shot and powder. lee do not make a press for .410 so to use once fired cases you would need to invest in an mec press. But .410 cases take a lot of abuse on firing so some will not be fit to reload and you are unlikely to find any in the shooting ground bins unlike 12ga. do your sums first ie price of cases, powder, wads, shot, etc as it will depend on availability it the area you live and then decide if the effort is worth the trouble. However reloading for the .410 is very popular.
  28. 2 points
    People test for 2 very different things. Firstly, point of aim v point of impact (POA/POI). Yep, some people really are that anal especially in America where they can't seem to fully separate shotgun shooting from rifle shooting. I tried POI testing once and found that the barrels on that particular gun didn't shoot to the same place and as my brain couldn't cope with the thought of allowing for it the gun had to go. I haven't done much pattern testing either but I've done enough to explain why so many experienced sporting clay shooters throw in 2 x LM or 2 x M and just leave them in. The distances were 25, 30 and 35 yards. Shooting off the shoulder with the usual shells and moving the gun to the target (a 4 inch X) rather than shooting with a dead gun. All I checked for was the evenness of the spread in a 30" circle as life's too short to count pellets. The net result is that since then I've never shot sporting with anything tighter than M and nothing more open than LM.
  29. 2 points
  30. 2 points
    My input would be to go with the gun that you feel best about right now and try not to predict the future. What I mean by that is, trying to account for every possibility at this point is pretty difficult. I believe as you settle into your shooting, you'll develop a method/style that may (empasise may) change how you feel about your first clay gun, regardless of which one you choose now. From what you've said, it would appear that the MK38 is high up in your thinking, few would argue about that being a really good choice. So my advice would be to get a good used MK38, shoot with it and see how it goes. If you buy well, you'll not loose too much money if or when you decide swap to another gun.
  31. 2 points
    Sadly it was an error, which we contacted Sean about when results hit the CPSA, he was already aware But she’s enjoying every minute of it 😁
  32. 2 points
    It was not a doddle William. There was plenty to be missed especially in the wind. Billy’s score was outstanding given the wind. The top scorers will never be that different from their usual score even with the weather. James B-D and Billy weren’t that different in their scores at Westfield. What is lovely is that Sean’s targets can always be seen and that in itself will boost a score just by being able to see them!!!! I missed three rabbits that needed to be shot at as did so did many others and yet managed some tricky stands (as some might see them) very well. He provided a really good mix of targets. I actually don’t regard any of those scores listed above to be out of sinc with the classes and those listed there do shoot those scores.
  33. 2 points
    Not enough to even be remotely concerned, GD once said if you can tell the difference between a 1300 fps and a 1400 fps cartridge your a better shot than me!!
  34. 2 points
    Alternatively just get your local gunsmith o take them out to 3/8 and 3/8 will break everything or 3/8 and 5/8 will break everything and saves the faffing about. Agreed mk38 trap brilliant fo the money. I have a grade one which i bought for an absolute bargain price with about 50 carts through it,an oddity by all accounts as apparently they never made them with a palm swell and adjustable comb.
  35. 2 points
    Yes it is indeed the successor to the MK 3800 . I personally prefer the 38 trap to the 38 sporter . The grip is slimmer , the barrels are lighter . The choke issue is easily overcome by having Teague chokes fitted . Give Teague Precision a call and ask them how to get a gun sent to them from Holland . i shoot a 38 Trap gun Multi-choked by Teague , and fitted with a Kickeeze pad . my friend Shoots a 725 super sport . For me the 38 trap stock with its slim grip ( no palm swell ) puts my hand in a more comfortable position .
  36. 2 points
    I bought one years ago but found that unless you kept the range really short I struggled, prolly fine up to a max of 25 yards so you need to pick your decoying sessions carefully.
  37. 1 point
    Only drawback from moly grease is if it gets on clothing, it knackers it. I got fed up trying to shoot in overalls ! 😯
  38. 1 point
  39. 1 point
    Thanks for the review. I'm hoping to get out today to shoot, and I have packed 300 cartridges... I usually only do 100, but figure I may want to do more today 😎🤠
  40. 1 point
    Think there is a difference between the Ultra XS and the Ultra XS pro...... The Pro is based on the 525 but is a relatively new gun. The Ultra XS has been around for much longer. Think both Chris and Sam use Ultra XS guns, not the Pro one.
  41. 1 point
    You probaly know far more than me Timps but i was under the impression that the load accelerated all the way down the barrel due to expanding gases and reached its maximum as it left the end of the barrel or is that what you said? 28g of shot in the shot cup be it 9 or ssg shot makes no difference at all...it is still 28g of lead behaving as one projectile. Once it leaves the barrel and seperates the differing size of shot will then be effected by physical forces to a greater or lesser extent. Therefore this statement is BULLsh*t "however shot time down the barrel will be different which can make a difference to perceived lead"
  42. 1 point
    The few times I’ve used an expensive high speed cartridge, I’ve been so distracted by the unpleasant recoil that I’m not sure I noticed what happened otherwise.
  43. 1 point
    When you say 'true' choke measurements I assume you mean: 3/8 is 15 thou constriction and 3/4 is 30 thou as compared to the nominal bore etc etc ??
  44. 1 point
    Small shot size used in clay shooting loses velocity very quickly so regardless of the muzzle velocity by the time the shot has traveled around 25 to 30 yards it will be travelling at the virtually the identical velocity. however shot time down the barrel will be different which can make a difference to perceived lead, so find a cartridge you like price wise, recoil, availability and stick with it.
  45. 1 point
    Shot an 84 at Longridge with it today. Jasper.
  46. 1 point
    Andy are you on fb ? Really good reloading group that i can add you on. PS i dont think you can get the lee loadall in .410 cheapest way is using hand loading tools. There is a recent thread on the fb group for your exact questions. Pm me if you like
  47. 1 point
    Yes Will it's correct. Sean wants to avoid Easter Sunday to keep sweet with the locals.
  48. 1 point
    Not important in the slightest. Pattern is very important. Shoot a slow 21gram shell and see how well it breaks nearly every target on an ESP layout and you'll know that the reduced shot count and slower speed delivers a very sweet pattern.
  49. 1 point
    So what’s the difference in pellet speed between a 1350 / 1450 cartridge at 50 yds?
  50. 1 point
    Velocity difference between current commercially available cartridges (excluding subsonic) is negligible when shooting clays. If you do the maths the clay has only moved inches between fastest to slowest velocity getting there. With a pattern spread of say 30” you really aren’t going to notice the clay is a few inches further from the centre. All have enough impact energy to smash a clay at normal clay ground ranges. Even if the clay had moved feet as long as it’s consistent it doesn’t matter as you will learn the lead and sight picture for that velocity. The only thing that is really important is confidence in the cartridge. If you have confidence in it you will shoot at your best if not then it’s a self fulfilling prophecy and the doubt will cost you targets not the actual velocity difference.
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