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  2. Will Hewland

    Unbelievable

    Cheers Wynno. If it ain’t fair it doesn’t count. And I made more money coaching last Saturday than I could win in two shoots, even if I had top form which I usually don’t.. I recall Ricky draper at Horne a while back. He insisted he missed a clay when ref gave it to him and it cost him HG. 👍🏼
  3. leighH

    Unbelievable

    Paul Spot on. First target wind effected so not a no bird, and shooter refused the second legitimately thrown target so pair lost. Leigh
  4. wynno

    Unbelievable

    Will, what you did is the epitome of a true sportsman, and I salute you for your honesty 👏
  5. Paul120

    Unbelievable

    Firstly as the first bird was shot at it can be assumed that it was accepted as a ligit target in his mind. I suspect that there wouldn't have been an issue if it had been hit. In the event of the first bird being shot at the second should have also been attempted and an appeal made. Assuming the second target was released Breaking the gun to me seems that the second Target was not attempted and should have been a loss.
  6. wynno

    Unbelievable

    I agree with you Hamid, it cost £40 to enter and IF he came first in class would only profit by £20 or so. more money is made by coaching than by winning competitions in the uk
  7. Hamster

    Unbelievable

    The only way you could win money is to stop shooting altogether. The top 2-3 shooters in the country could make enough out of clay winnings not to have to work but the wages would be similar to driving a taxi and prolly even less dependable, the only decent living to be had is in coaching. Eager souls ready to pay their hard earned to buy skills, tasty hourly rates, no money back guarantee and a bit like your Turkish takeaways when it comes to books. 😜 🐑
  8. Will Hewland

    Unbelievable

    Wynno, as I say, I err on the side of non-oppressive and it has cost me prize money several times. Yesterday at Owls Lodge, I was in a money position walking onto the last stand. A very well known qualified ref was there. I just mentioned that my grip pad had fallen off the butt pad after a soaking wet shoot recently and it was causing me to think hard about how I mounted. He said he would send the second target more slowly if I liked. I was definite that it must be the same as everybody else and I missed one.. as I say, it’s the LESS well experienced refs that can cause a problem sometimes, if they don’t spot an off line target. In fairness, if you make the shooter shoot it again, it is still a test of their ability. I totally agree that bullying is awful when it’s a clear miss of a decent clay..
  9. wynno

    Unbelievable

    Hamid the target he missed was many metres in the air, and when a six and a half foot guy stands over a short female ref and demands that the target be given again in my book that constitutes bullying...... now I’m a short arsed git but I know what’s fair and not and ALL THE SHOOTERS behind said exactly the same this man CHEATED. I have no idea if he won any money in his class or not, and to be sure that’s immaterial , the very fact that he used intimidation is despicable. Now a lot of you know me as a FITASC ref and I do give the shooter the benefit of the doubt, but I stand up for the ref in any situation, perhaps more shooters should take a proactive stance in support of the refs, after all without them you’d be reduced to playing tiddlywinks. Will, in your heart of hearts would you cheat just to be top dog ?
  10. Will Hewland

    Unbelievable

    Trouble is, in certain circumstances a bad target can cost you £150. In my last two shoots, a few targets has cost me £100 or so. And of course the principle of being top dog is nice on a shoot result.
  11. El Spavo

    Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

    ...or go anyway and take a sh*t on the turntable, mid song. Of course, we're very different people WIll.
  12. El Spavo

    Unbelievable

    Having never shot to win, what can you actually win from these things you lot go to? Just wondering how much is to gain at the expense of dignity and respect if this dude was actually acting like a complete toilet?
  13. chippy

    Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

    Another great round at Northampton today. I shot 79 and was happy with that.
  14. Will Hewland

    Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

    Trouble is Mark, when I was about 20 I coined a phrase, Don’t go to parties where you’re not invited. I want to feel welcome.
  15. Will Hewland

    Unbelievable

    I’ve had a massively off line target a few times lately.. at Owls STR pool yesterday the orange away came out way low. Caused me to miss a pair. Never mind.. I also had a really shabby deal at College Farm last Wednesday. An orange quartering target came out completely pale, different colour, hardly visible. I actually hit it, but was so distracted that I missed the next target. I mentioned it it. Blank look from ref. I didn’t take it further. Missed HG by one clay.. It is tricky territory. Devils advocate.. inexperienced refs won’t appreciate an off line target, so it makes the shooter call it.. which can look unreasonable. If you take a massively experienced ref, they are usually very keen to ensure you get a fair deal. Snap Hamid..
  16. schmokinn

    Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

    Due to various things i have heard recently i do not believe a CPSA member can be banned from a REG event,not that will necessarily make you feel better about skeet in the woods😁
  17. Hamster

    Unbelievable

    I've seen people break the gun and (legitimately) ask for the pair again, this doesn't always constitute "bullying" although I have admittedly also witnessed the same action when the request from the shooter for pair again was somewhat less tenable; when the same shooter pulls the stunt once or twice a round it's an obvious sign of habitual cheating. You write : "He broke the gun and called no bird and bullied the female referee into giving him the target again which he then proceeded to kill" - in fairness to all it's difficult to judge whether asking for pair again "automatically" constitutes "bullying" even taking into account the fact that some bystanders did think the shooters request was unreasonable, the reason I say this is because without having been there or witnessed it we don't know whether others may have thought it reasonable enough ?! Tough call to make at times. A quartering clay a mere 15-20 yards in front which is meant to fly at say 3 meters from the ground is (in my view) a legitimate no bird if it comes out a meter from the ground because relative to the firing point the trajectory and angle is hugely altered. The same target 35-40 yards away presented 15 meters high cannot legitimately be called no bird if it comes out 13 meters high.
  18. Will Hewland

    Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

    That was my Sunday too.. very odd. Rain this am.. then M25 traffic looked nasty and just couldn’t face trip to Court Farm. I’m probably banned at 4C.. friends round pm. Mrs H did splendid cooking this pm so all nice!
  19. Sian

    Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

    I’m still in my pyjamas 👌
  20. wynno

    Unbelievable

    Today at Meadowcroft I witnessed the most blatant form of cheating that I have ever seen in some 30 years of shooting. stand 4 consisted of an orange left to right quartering target approximately 15 to 20 m in front ,followed by a fast black target ( duck )over your left shoulder . This one shooter who is a contributor to this forum and an A class shot, hit the first three pairs in spectacular fashion, for the final pair he called pull and due to the wind pushing the bird some 2m lower he missed it. He broke the gun and called no bird and bullied the female referee into giving him the target again which he then proceeded to kill along with the report target, giving him 8 out of 8. I proceeded to say bird lost second to count, there were numerous other shooters behind including one veteran England sporting and fitasc shooter who also said target lost second to count. The shooter continues to bully the scorer who then gives him the target again. when he walked off I said in front of everybody that he cheated and bullied the scorer, his reply absolutely f all. Now you know who you are and if cheating is the way you think you can win, then you are a sad b’stard
  21. Bebo

    Kent / Canterbury

    Hi Rob. Husband is Steve. Others in the group were Biggins (actually also Steve but everyone calls him by his nickname), Nice Ben (to differentiate him from the other one) and Jayne. Steve and I shoot Willow most Saturdays so hopefully we'll see you next time you're there.
  22. Midlife

    Kent / Canterbury

    Next time I’m down I will give everyone some notice and maybe I can tag on to your gang for the day. It was nice to meet you too Ben and also your Husband whose name I sadly did not get. Rob
  23. Jonny English

    Sporting Shoots; where- and how was it? (2018)

    Park Lodge for me today to try and get prepared for the British, worst score in 12 months. Tough round it strong winds made it challenging, worst thing was a bad start, only shot half on the first 4 stands which killed it off before I got going, too slow out the blocks. Last 8 stands shot a lot better but damage was already done for a very lowely 69.
  24. Bebo

    Kent / Canterbury

    Glad you enjoyed yourself Rob. Especially good that Ben didn't put you off going to Willow Farm again. 😉
  25. woody

    Kent / Canterbury

    Nice to meet you, Rob. i had an appaling score at the end of it. shame as i made a good account of myself on 6 to 10 (for me) only missing one long crosser on 10. But again simple bread and butter stuff that everyone fills their cards with and i make a right hash of. nevermind 😁
  26. Midlife

    Kent / Canterbury

    Hi Bebo, I met the “squad” at the end of the shoot and had a quick chat. Really enjoyed myself but let myself down on a couple of stands which trashed my card. Will definitely go back next time I am down.
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