Will Hewland

EJ Churchill CPSA reg ESP April 6th

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14 minutes ago, Ferret said:

Hi Sian, I noticed that yesterday shooting the Classic - one pretty low stand down the Lane layout had a set of small stepladders just inside with your name on.......... 😂😂😂😜😜😜😜

I don't get to Southdown often, but can I borrow your steps next time Sian? Only if you aren't using them at the time of course.

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33 minutes ago, Sian said:

I've taken to telling course setters now when faced with a ridiculous stand for midgets.  It's starting to sink in and credit to Bob at Southdown he has made changes for midgets.

I have had the same problem for years and years.  Being only 4'11" is no fun at all.  I remember many, many years ago shooting at Southdown and Dave P was actually scoring the stand and I couldn't see over the bush in front of me.  He apologised straight away, got me a pallet to stand on and I never ever shot one of his sporting layouts again where I couldn't see over a bush etc.  The same thing happened when I shot a fitasc at Barrowheath that John Dyson had put on.  Rose was scoring, I was looking at the targets, went into shoot and couldn't see a thing, I called and called and the rest of the squad said it had gone.  I replied that I just couldn't see them from my position.  Rose called up John and you can imagine what was said!!! Again, I have never shot a shoot that John has put on that I have had trouble seeing over something.

Now cages are a different kettle of fish, again being so short I can't always get my gun over the barrier and be comfortable, I end up being hunched up with my shoulders up around my ears, and if I have to get the gun up over the top to get on a target quicker, then forget it, it just isn't happening.  

Unfortunately, I have lost many targets in the past over this as I get angry at the course setters and carry it around with me.  It's getting better as I just laugh at myself but deep down inside it infuriates the life out of me.  I did suggest to one course setter that he carries a piece of wood that is same height as me and crouch down to that level and see what it feels like.  

Phil shot Churchills yesterday and did say that I would have had a problem in the grouse butt, but don't these people think?  There are a lot of juniors and older people who are short, not just me and surely the course should be the same for every shooter out there, it shouldn't matter how tall or short you are.  I really don't mind being beaten by a target if it's hard and I'm not on it but don't think it's fair losing targets that you can't even see or get on before it dives into the ground or disappears behind something.

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5 minutes ago, donna said:

I have had the same problem for years and years.  Being only 4'11" is no fun at all.  I remember many, many years ago shooting at Southdown and Dave P was actually scoring the stand and I couldn't see over the bush in front of me.  He apologised straight away, got me a pallet to stand on and I never ever shot one of his sporting layouts again where I couldn't see over a bush etc.  The same thing happened when I shot a fitasc at Barrowheath that John Dyson had put on.  Rose was scoring, I was looking at the targets, went into shoot and couldn't see a thing, I called and called and the rest of the squad said it had gone.  I replied that I just couldn't see them from my position.  Rose called up John and you can imagine what was said!!! Again, I have never shot a shoot that John has put on that I have had trouble seeing over something.

Now cages are a different kettle of fish, again being so short I can't always get my gun over the barrier and be comfortable, I end up being hunched up with my shoulders up around my ears, and if I have to get the gun up over the top to get on a target quicker, then forget it, it just isn't happening.  

Unfortunately, I have lost many targets in the past over this as I get angry at the course setters and carry it around with me.  It's getting better as I just laugh at myself but deep down inside it infuriates the life out of me.  I did suggest to one course setter that he carries a piece of wood that is same height as me and crouch down to that level and see what it feels like.  

Phil shot Churchills yesterday and did say that I would have had a problem in the grouse butt, but don't these people think?  There are a lot of juniors and older people who are short, not just me and surely the course should be the same for every shooter out there, it shouldn't matter how tall or short you are.  I really don't mind being beaten by a target if it's hard and I'm not on it but don't think it's fair losing targets that you can't even see or get on before it dives into the ground or disappears behind something.

As someone has already pointed out not being able to address a target optimally is a very real problem at times, I often wonder how easily it could be fixed by chopping a few inches off the top of stands or where possible driving the stakes in a bit more. 

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Some course setters obviously forget the lower height & disabled shooter shooting from a wheelchair then !!!!

I am always mindful of shooters of a lower height than myself (me being a 6'1" midget), maybe because one of my refs is well known disabled shooter Adrian Last & he also likes to shoot the courses i put on at Barrow Heath..........So Sian, as you well know from your visits that target visability for shorter people can be catered for  :ahappy::smile:

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11 hours ago, philmoss said:

Some course setters obviously forget the lower height & disabled shooter shooting from a wheelchair then !!!!

I am always mindful of shooters of a lower height than myself (me being a 6'1" midget), maybe because one of my refs is well known disabled shooter Adrian Last & he also likes to shoot the courses i put on at Barrow Heath..........So Sian, as you well know from your visits that target visability for shorter people can be catered for  :ahappy::smile:

Never had an issue ever from shooting at Barrowheath, always see the targets and be able to shoot comfortably

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On 6/2/2017 at 4:59 PM, Hamster said:

I honestly can't even remember there was a cage, my problem was they were practically skimming the grass so not so good for the vertically challenged ! The problem was both were fast and close but the report bird was much quicker and needed silly lead which the brain just can't compute, I was relieved with only one away.

Did a caddied round at EJC after the National Ladies Shooting Day event on Saturday.  Ended up shooting a low fast pair in the grouse butt.  Pink l-r that was probably 4ft off the ground at it's highest and a yellow r-l that didn't get above a foot.  Missed the first two pink ones behind, got the rest.  No cage though, which may have made it easier.

Mr Marshall showed us how it was done once we'd shot.  He shot the pink target before I could even see it.

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Phil, myself and a friend shot Churchills yesterday and I did have a go in the grouse butt.  I could hardly see over the top!  It seemed as if I was shooting through the grass which was slightly off putting. Couldn't get to grips with the targets using my gun but then I had a go with Phils Perazzi and nailed them.  I seem to be able to shoot his gun much quicker and get on the targets a lot easier with his gun even though it's longer and heavier then mine.  Now all sorts of things are floating around in my head which I don't want ..  

I might get the auto out this weekend for the Dragon charity shoot for s bit of fun.

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24 minutes ago, donna said:

Phil, myself and a friend shot Churchills yesterday and I did have a go in the grouse butt.  I could hardly see over the top!  It seemed as if I was shooting through the grass which was slightly off putting. Couldn't get to grips with the targets using my gun but then I had a go with Phils Perazzi and nailed them.  I seem to be able to shoot his gun much quicker and get on the targets a lot easier with his gun even though it's longer and heavier then mine.  Now all sorts of things are floating around in my head which I don't want ..  

All down to the balance.  Time for a Perazzi for you as well?

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Don't go there!!!  Phil has said for years that I will end up with one!!  But I must admit that when I shot his at those targets the penny did finally drop. I love my gun, fits well etc BUT being a trap gun I simply can't move it that quickly when I really have to. 

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1 minute ago, donna said:

Don't go there!!!  Phil has said for years that I will end up with one!!  But I must admit that when I shot his at those targets the penny did finally drop. I love my gun, fits well etc BUT being a trap gun I simply can't move it that quickly when I really have to. 

Doesn't have to be a Perazzi.  I'm biased as it's what I shoot, but the K80 Parcours is really well balanced and I have no trouble getting it moving for fast targets.  Blaser worth a look as well.

We definitely need to set up that autumn ladies gun swopping event (when Sian finishes all her competition shooting).

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2 hours ago, Bebo said:

Doesn't have to be a Perazzi.  I'm biased as it's what I shoot, but the K80 Parcours is really well balanced and I have no trouble getting it moving for fast targets.  Blaser worth a look as well.

We definitely need to set up that autumn ladies gun swopping event (when Sian finishes all her competition shooting).

Sounds great fun. Shame I am not allowed out for the next three years :cry::cry:

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Just now, ehb102 said:

Sounds great fun. Shame I am not allowed out for the next three years :cry::cry:

3 years!  What did you do, GBH?

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3 hours ago, donna said:

Don't go there!!!  Phil has said for years that I will end up with one!!  But I must admit that when I shot his at those targets the penny did finally drop. I love my gun, fits well etc BUT being a trap gun I simply can't move it that quickly when I really have to. 

I bought my Blaser F3 because it was like a Perazzi to use, but with lighter barrels. Try one, or even an F16 if you are up for good value compared to Perazzi. 

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1 hour ago, Bebo said:

3 years!  What did you do, GBH?

Small child. Apparently it gets easier when they go to school :-)

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8 minutes ago, ehb102 said:

Small child. Apparently it gets easier when they go to school :-)

Who told you that? :lol::lol:

It gets easier when they're about 35...

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Ah glad, it wasn't just me with the grouse bird. I returned there last week and shot a few with Mark, and unfortunately only the left->right was left and I managed to get it.. However I'm not terribly 'tall' myself either, and I suspect these birds were a lot tougher for the <6ft tall people. Let alone ~5+ ones. Perhaps that some things that should be mentioned to Churchill tho; as much as you can't make every bird fully 'accessible' the grouse wall + grass + low bird seems to be one that could have been a bit better. Altho, I know Adam is involved, so I would have thought that would have been picked as an issue...

Just finding excuses for myself, of course ;-)

 

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