Can someone please explain what's going on in 100 Reg sporting shoots with payouts, the more I read payouts on the blog and see the payouts from Registered shoots the more if feel the shooter who competes is getting shafted !! Years ago if you won a shoot it was well worth it and it was nothing to win brilliant prizes and payouts which were equivalent to weeks or months wages ! Now it seems the costs are increasing (cays still 6 pence + vat buying bulk) but the payback is totally inadequate, luck if you win your class or 2nd to get back your entry fee ? And how can someone who wins the shoot come away with little more than high gun in C class ? Why can't all shoots show how many and who are birds only ? Is it that hard ? Or are grounds worried shooters may do the maths !!!!!! Keep cutting prize money & finally the good will of competitive shooters will go elsewhere !! Seen it before & pleases do not insult our intelligence !!
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Will Hewland
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I haven't been shooting for decades, so don't know what if anything was different back then..
Ground owners will always do what is best for their business. In some cases advertising big prizes pays them back in big entries but not every ground. A medium scale shoot will spread (not that much) prize pot cash over lots of classes and categories to attract entries, but it means there will never be a single big pot to give away.
It often feels odd. I have sometimes shot really well and got nothing. Sometimes I have shot badly and got £100 class win because it was on offer and the entry was low, so swings and roundabouts somewhat.
I would rather grounds flourish than try and cripple themselves by handing profits away in prizes. With a big entry they can flourish and pay well, but this isn't every ground of course. Bottom line we (or 99% of us) are doing it for the sport not the cash. Well, cash is nice, but forget trying to cover costs..
Ground owners will always do what is best for their business. In some cases advertising big prizes pays them back in big entries but not every ground. A medium scale shoot will spread (not that much) prize pot cash over lots of classes and categories to attract entries, but it means there will never be a single big pot to give away.
It often feels odd. I have sometimes shot really well and got nothing. Sometimes I have shot badly and got £100 class win because it was on offer and the entry was low, so swings and roundabouts somewhat.
I would rather grounds flourish than try and cripple themselves by handing profits away in prizes. With a big entry they can flourish and pay well, but this isn't every ground of course. Bottom line we (or 99% of us) are doing it for the sport not the cash. Well, cash is nice, but forget trying to cover costs..
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Ashley
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What I disagree with is, if your a colt, junior , lady, or veteran you get 2 chances at winning something for your entry
( class and category ) if your are male aged between 22 and 60 you only get one chance for the same money. (Class)
A couple of times this year I witnessed colts, junior's , taking 2 lots of prizes , in one case 2 guns and more cartridges than the lad and his dad could carry.
Don't get me wrong, I love to see the kids shoot well and take something home as a mark off their ability
But What I'm saying is when you pay to enter you should have to nominate what class (or) category you are going to shoot in that day,
By doing it this way grounds would be able to pay, either more at the top end or further down the respective classes/ category's
( class and category ) if your are male aged between 22 and 60 you only get one chance for the same money. (Class)
A couple of times this year I witnessed colts, junior's , taking 2 lots of prizes , in one case 2 guns and more cartridges than the lad and his dad could carry.
Don't get me wrong, I love to see the kids shoot well and take something home as a mark off their ability
But What I'm saying is when you pay to enter you should have to nominate what class (or) category you are going to shoot in that day,
By doing it this way grounds would be able to pay, either more at the top end or further down the respective classes/ category's
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Smithers is right, however you dress it, even £50 won in a straw baler would cover a weekends shooting with several re-entries at two or more grounds ! This is why people used to stay (or come back) for the shoot off
I have always thought it a scandal that grounds are paying the same nice round figure of £50 or £100 three decades on.
shootinguru
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When I retired from Wylye Valley S.G. 14 years ago I paid back £8.00 a gun on sporting and £7.00 a gun on fitasc.
I could fill a 100 bird reg fitasc shoot 72 guns and have a waiting list every month!
secrect? Charge a FAIR price, a good payout and good targets. :crazy:
I could fill a 100 bird reg fitasc shoot 72 guns and have a waiting list every month!
secrect? Charge a FAIR price, a good payout and good targets. :crazy:
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Standard Payout depends on how many in each class shoot competition and how many go birds only.
Get rid of birds only and the payout would reflect better those who shot it.
As for categories....at most registered....they are not paid out....
Get rid of birds only and the payout would reflect better those who shot it.
As for categories....at most registered....they are not paid out....
Will Hewland
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Perhaps shoots are better run these days with better facilities with higher overheads? More time spent setting courses? Making prize money tougher to pay out and stay profitable? Total speculation on my part.Smithers is right, however you dress it, even £50 won in a straw baler would cover a weekends shooting with several re-entries at two or more grounds ! This is why people used to stay (or come back) for the shoot off
I have always thought it a scandal that grounds are paying the same nice round figure of £50 or £100 three decades on.
Will Hewland
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As Tink says, BO doesn't help. I have always thought that if it didn't exist nobody would miss it and you would not need the comp fee to be as high if everybody paid in. Anyway, another topic, done to death already..
I'll go back to what I proposed a while back - a formula for allocating money that grounds can adjust to their own liking - and display on the wall of the clubhouse. People can then see clearly what the ground is offering, and choose to enter/not enter based on what they see.
I know one shooting ground that asked me for this - and display it on their wall.
In the PDF attached - the yellow numbers can be adjusted/input and the appropriate prize money can be calculated.
If a ground wants to top up a prize fund, they can do that as well.
Prize Money Example.pdf
I know one shooting ground that asked me for this - and display it on their wall.
In the PDF attached - the yellow numbers can be adjusted/input and the appropriate prize money can be calculated.
If a ground wants to top up a prize fund, they can do that as well.
Prize Money Example.pdf
Competition prizes are dictated by the FFBT down here. As far as I can see there is no classification for ability only age which means the newcomer in vet category for example must be either A) really good or B) be prepared to enter competitions purely for the fun of it knowing they will win squat as nearly all competitions are won by vet category shooters.
Here is the scheme for prize money if anybody is remotely interested
http://lmpballtrap.com/documents/GRILLE_DE_PRIX_2014_.PDF
Here is the scheme for prize money if anybody is remotely interested
http://lmpballtrap.com/documents/GRILLE_DE_PRIX_2014_.PDF
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Here in UK ....in the normal registereds....it is nothing to do with our shooting bodies.
It is simply an extra amount paid by the shooters who go competition. This money goes into a prize fund which is ALL paid back to the winning shooters (plus any extras given by the grounds...like a High Gun prize etc).
So if there are not many competition shooters in your class (because people went BO).....then though titties....that is life.
Remedy......get rid of birds only and make it representative of the amount of people playing in their classes.
I will now get my coat.... :laugh:
It is simply an extra amount paid by the shooters who go competition. This money goes into a prize fund which is ALL paid back to the winning shooters (plus any extras given by the grounds...like a High Gun prize etc).
So if there are not many competition shooters in your class (because people went BO).....then though titties....that is life.
Remedy......get rid of birds only and make it representative of the amount of people playing in their classes.
I will now get my coat.... :laugh:
Also a very simple system.Here is the scheme for prize money if anybody is remotely interested
http://lmpballtrap.com/documents/GRILLE_DE_PRIX_2014_.PDF
Typically shoot owners today site the need for automatic traps but forget that the old hand operated traps required two people per stand back then.
shootinguru
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:fie: The difference that I see now at grounds as an ex ground owner is,
1. The entry fees have gone UP but the payout per gun has gone down.
2. locally there are at least 3 or 4 "gound staff" joyriding around on quads or mules, but try and find them when a trap is empty or broken!
3. Ground owners want £1000.00 + a day wages?
While we are on the subject, can anyone tell me why food prices at shoots are higher than motorway cafes?
1. The entry fees have gone UP but the payout per gun has gone down.
2. locally there are at least 3 or 4 "gound staff" joyriding around on quads or mules, but try and find them when a trap is empty or broken!
3. Ground owners want £1000.00 + a day wages?
While we are on the subject, can anyone tell me why food prices at shoots are higher than motorway cafes?
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And we all know how good hand thrown targets are and the type of exciting targets that can be thrown. Bring back hand operated traps on some of the stands I say...if you want fun :wink:Typically shoot owners today site the need for automatic traps but forget that the old hand operated traps required two people per stand back then.
