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    This is aimed at George at the above company, I did consider pm'ing him but came to the conclusion that both he and many others here and elsewhere could benefit from the potential outcome. I would respectfully ask people to please kindly refrain from posting superfluous info or gems such as recoil is subjective or get your gun fit sorted etc, as the aim is to see whether George can even help or compete with other manufacturers. I may be wrong but my take is that the main problem for Proper Cartridges has always been one of distribution and breaking the hold of the big boys who in some cases even refuse to allow certain dealers from supplying their shells. The boom in home shopping in the past decade as we have all witnessed has meant that delivery of even cheaper items is no longer really a problem and delivery charges can be kept to very reasonable levels, with this in mind I would like to ask : Can you please give me a price for loading a clay cartridge in : plastic wad with 28g size 8 (2.2mm) of hardish shot (5% ?), the same quality of shot that can be found in mid level competition shells such as Eley Superbs and Fiocchi F3 or FBlack etc, metal height unimportant so no need for 20mm if costs and performance can be maintained at say 12mm or even less ? no need for 8 star crimp as long as they're well made in ordinary 6 star and generally up to the mark RECOIL is important, I don't like slow shells so want some speed but no need for fastest in any shape or form, again looking for mid level competition shell speeds around those mentioned already, I personally consider FBlacks to be a tad too much, the likes of Black or even White Gold are again too punchy, Eley Superb territory or even less if breaking ability is not compromised. Availability is important, I have always tended to stick to the same shell for as many years as possible so need to be able to muster supplies in no more than about a week from e-mail. What price per thou and what quantity to avoid delivery charges, eg, can you do three thou runs to customers or must a group put a minimum order of 10k ? If this gets anywhere you can call them ShootClay Socialist Comp or Hamster 8 Revolution, in time the 6.5's can be called Uprising Fitasc. All the best and look forward to hearing from you.
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    Right I'm probably In a good position to comment here. I've shot every world since it's intro in 1994. Since the concept of the super final was introduced nearly all of them have been shot under the lights in th USA, As a shooter I love the super final I've won the world being behind going into the final and I've lost it leading going into the final. As a entrant I went there expecting the final to be under lights along with many of the others. And believe it was always this way not a ploy to help USA. As as a professional the final is a place to show case your talents and show off a little. I've been involved with lots of finals and long may it continue. ben
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    Truth be told probably 99% of shooters can only tell a cartridge is of mid or top range because the seller and it's marketing and price tag tell us it's top range. You could take a black gold and put it in a velocity case and the majority of shooters would have no clue of the difference. How do you tell, recoil and breaks? Yesterday we shot Grimsthorpe, the pool shoot had some good distance standard and midi birds. 3 of us shot it, one with black golds and 5/8ths, one with eley vip and 5/8ths and me with velocity plus and 1/4. My breaks were equally as good if not better at distance than the other two, recoil the same if again not a little less. So where was the difference, brass, marketing and price tag. The point of my post is, we take the manufacturers word of how good a cartridge is from the big boys, so you have to give George the same benefit. But his come out at £30 a thou cheaper. I will stick with my budget cartidges as I could shoot anything and still miss. But I think George deserves a bot more respect than he appears to be getting in this thread at times.
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    I think this thread is a complete waste of time ! Hamster you are flogging a dead horse or more correctly a thick Geordie. Proper Cartridges were available at North Wales Shooting School years ago , but George screwed it up. He bleats on about running his machines efficiently, but fails to see the point that there are thousands more people shooting clays than there are Game or Pigeon Shooters . Do the sums George , many , many premier grounds use 15,000+ cartridges a day , some are doing it 3-5 days a week every week , then you have charity and corporate events , before you even get to the weekend warrior many of whom are shooting 200 a day. Most of us do not give a fig about economy powders, primers or wads , we just want a decent shell that performs reliably but not being led by the nose to the fatcats feeding trough to top up their lifestyle .All the reasons for increasing cartridge prices have just disappeared , oil per barrel price is down ( cheaper plastic and transport fuel) Lead price is down , £ is strenghtening ,worker's salaries have not increased substantially for years , so why the outrageous price increase of cartridges? An economy cartridge could make a manufacturer very popular.
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    All of you people banging on about the shoot off, you are looking at it from the wrong way. The shoot from the word go was a 225 bird competition, 100 + 100 + 25. It was never 100 + 100 then shootoff. Just the same as the comps in the UK. It's the best score out of 225, not 200, only difference is only the top 10 get to shoot the last 25 or 3rd course. A shootoff happens when scores are tied and all shooters start back on 0 again. This was not a shoot off, as the shooters carry on with their score from the previous course, it's the 3rd part of a 3 course event, 100 + 100 + 25 And as for complaining about shooting under lights, as Edd says it's been under lights before and it was again, we have facilities to practise under lights in the UK,I believe Dartford have been running these events. If your going through all the hassle and expense to go to the US and there is a chance you may need to shoot under lights if you get to the final, a round or two of practise would be time well spent.
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    ...can I just point out it was a 'Brit' that shot the highest score, under the lights, in the super final...and was silver medal!!!
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    Couldn't agree more! The highest score round the course should win simple! As you say, unless you need a shoot off as more than one have all shot the same score. I still feel for Richard Bunning who shot a brilliant 117 at the English Open at High Lodge which was the outright high score! Then in the super final had so many no birds (using flash clays) that he almost blanked his first stand of 10!!! Hit 2 I think! And of course that lost him the title. The super final was meant to draw the crowds and media in, but there was about 50 people watching and a few pictures taken...... not worth it.
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    Steady on tiger, so what it's a Skeet forum people are still allowed to have a bit of fun, it goes on with Sporting and Fitasc as well as all other forms of shooting disciplines and people rarely get defensive about it, never, springs to mind with ESP and you have to wonder why. I shot a few straight 25's years and years ago and just found I didn't like it enough, don't have a go at me alone because patently that is the view of the vast majority of shooters who don't shoot Skeet as a rule because lets face it most find the targets in themselves unchallenging, that's not to say winning is easy because it never is and whoever wins or indeed places top 10 is worthy of praise. The lighthearted exchange was between Chippy and myself and it was more about his love for open chokes anyway not to put Skeet down. You are quite right though, Skeet does not present me personally with enough of a challenge, I never was interested in hitting 100 hittable targets but 95 more testing ones. I also dislike being in close proximity of shrapnel when taking certain pairs or indeed singles (just a personal thing as I keep turning my head away instinctively). I hear they have had to phone around to get enough people to enter the less well attended County Championships, if so then maybe instead of having a go at people for having a mild bit of natter with another shooter you ought to see if something can be done to raise their profile a bit more. Moms used to say all sorts of things to be fair, mine did rest her soul but things change, it's the age of the internet and we just have to pucker up and put up with others opinion whether we like it or not. If you wish the Skeet forum to be specifically barred from having anything less than 100% praiseworthy said then have a word with Matt, I promise to abide if he says so as it's his forum. ps. If you're reading this Matt, please let the ESP/Fitasc forums be as they are, hedge monkeys like a bit of a scuffle.
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    We started just after 10.30 and took about 2 hrs 15 mins, one squad turned up late so they had to fit them in and we had quite a few no birds on the rabbit/teal/floppy bird from right. (Stand 5 or 6 I think) The teal was just no birding all the time. Stand 7 was also throwing no birds on first target (green low crosser) but all ref could do was apologise constantly. Apart from that we went round and arrived at most stands with one squad just finishing and another just going on, so it was nice to see the targets instead of straight in. A couple in our squad kept forgetting to put the 3 cartridges in too, so we had a laugh on the way round, taking the mick out of each other. Weather was kind to us, and we shot the sport trap afterwards. Struggled on the 2nd layout, but shot the others ok, was pleased with my 21 on the 3rd layout, especially as I missed the A target twice, once with both barrels!! I ended up high gun on our squad for that layout so was chuffed. I did call myself a silly xxx but it's a learning curve, especially as Phil and I shot the sport trap with our autos!!! All good fun, good squad, met some people hadn't seen in ages and lovely refs, didn't hear too many moans. Just wish they had more of these comps as it is good fun.
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    Made time to get to EJC today, rocked up with Joe Hale, brief chat with Calimty Jane and Lorraine Harris who'd just finished having shot and 80 and 78 respectively. When booking paid my entry including comp £5 pot money, then made the schoolboy error of looking at rolling scores 90 was winning, this by a C class shooter C!!! If I'd seen that before I'd kept my fiver, don't mind anyone in the lowest of classes having a good day but 90? Put this in perspective when I left 3 hours later high gun was Ben Husthwaite with a 93. As for the shoot, went 1-3 through to 12 then back to 2, not a queue in sight. Had a nightmare on a few stands, very very rarely do I ever get in front of a target, I'm an old fossil whose not the quickest but today I'd constantly get in front of some fairly innocuous looking targets as plenty didn't seem to have been under any power. One was told a few times today that one needs to be able to shoot every type of target, my skill set lacked the nous today to adjust to the targets thrown, bar a pair of report rabbits, which I thought was a poorly set stand, saw four shooters at the stand 32 targets and the variation across these was staggering, it was mind just 1 stand and 8 of 100 targets, no issues (weather apart) with the rest of the course as before, my lack of skills. Oh Joe 88, me 60 odd, and yes I'll be going back for another Reg shoot soon as
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    As far as I remember all shoot offs there have been under lights from memory, I've been in a couple of them. No change this year as far as I could tell. Carry on...
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    ...and another promising ShootClay thread goes down the pan At times this forum really is one of the grumpiest I frequent. It's strange because without fail almost everyone I've met so far whilst actually out shooting have been friendly, courteous and patient with me as a relative newcomer to the sport, and with each other. Odd that some on this forum come over as so different to this when they're posting. Maybe it's the fact that people are stuck indoors looking at a screen rather than out in the open air shooting that accounts for it Anyway, manners - whether in person or on t'interweb - cost nowt
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    I feel it should be a fair contest, not under un-natural conditions, no matter where in the world. Organiser`s of such competitions need to get their act together, not the competitors ! No sour grapes at all, some amazing shooters in the world, most of whom are amateurs .
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    GD did post that he was not used to shooting under lights and also that it was to much to start shooting at 2 in massive heat and then still be expected to be on it later in the evening. As far as i'm concerned if you win ,you win and that's it at the end of 200 unless a shoot off is needed...Super finals are just for the media and i think detract from the competition. Its like you win and then you have to shoot again to win!
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    I can get 28g Velocity+ fairly locally at £175 and FBlacks at a twoer is not bad either.
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    After purchasing a set of pillas I had a very strange problem I could hit left to right clays with ease at any distance but Right to left clays were a big problem It took six months before I found out it was a balance problem. My wallet weight had changed considerably.
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    Well, I took up your suggestion this morning and went up to the market in town, I spent over 2 hours looking at ALL of the sunglasses on a stand there. The little rotund stallholder was in a right tizz, he was shouting and gesticulating, but being deaf and not understanding very much, in fact none at all, of his native tongue, I'm sure he felt I was ignoring him on purpose. Anyway after searching every pair of sunglasses, I could find none that were suitable. I was walking back to the car park when I spotted a small, privately owned Opticians. I thought, nothing ventured etc., and went in. The Gentleman owner could not have been more helpful. He looked at the 2 different bridge designs (the earlier and the current variety), went into the rear of the shop and came back out with an identical nose piece, of the type that is fitted on the current range of Pilla lenses. He fitted it whilst I waited and offered me the frames and lens back to try, after some minor adjustments they were spot on. I left the second lens there to be fitted the same. It is going to cost me £20 when I pick them up, but I felt that it was worthwhile. (no risk of postage etc.) So all is well that ends well. Thank you once more for your input and if you know of anyone that may be looking, I have 147 pairs of sunglasses for sale at £5 each !
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    After a crappy week at work I treated myself to a new (to me) gun. Picked up a AyA Yeoman for just used £100.... can't wait to try it out! Fortunately have a day off on Monday... Pinched the shops pics, mine are rubbish.
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    You will not improve on your Gold E unless you spend £7-8000? So why bother?
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    well maybe it has after all sunk in to you all is that i do not make a cheap cart for clays at the moment due to the high price of components and the lead and euro exchange rate but please let these words be rembered if i take a 28 gram cart and print it for pigeons or game i can easily get my 200 plus 220 for fibre do yourselves a favour and price 28 gram game loads then see if i am daft by been a busy fool cheers all george hamster cheers for this but maybe they got the message and stop the thread coz at the moment i cannot make cheap carts and we realy are going in circles i told you this in the beggining but thanks all the same cheers happy shooting chaps and bye for now george 07714 323 909
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    Who defines what capacity is. To the guy who is totally motivated by money and wants to earn as much as possible then capacity may well be 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. For others that actually want a life it might be 8 hours a day, for 5 days a week and I am sure there are plenty of people out there that would happily reduce their hours even more providing they earn enough to be comfortable. Not everyone in this world wants to be the next billionaire, some people prefer a good work - life balance. I have a small business that provides me with enough money to get by. I don't live in a massive house and I drive a 7 year old car but I have enough free time to go pigeon shooting pretty much when I want. I spend a lot of time training my 5 dogs during the day and I am there for my daughter every day when she gets in from school. Yes I could work a lot harder, expand, employ more staff, diversity into other areas. All the things that everyone tells me I need to do, but I am happy as the proverbial pig in **** with my life and don't want to. There have been lots of comments throughout this thread about George NEEDS to do this and George NEEDS to do that. Well he only needs to do what HE wants to do and nothing else.
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    There could be several reasons why Proper Cartridges aren't pushing the clay cartridges at the prices suggested: Not enough capacity on existing machines so why bother replacing existing sales with lower margin ones. There's not enough margin in budget clay loads to be profitable (seems likely to me). Can't buy the components in big enough volumes to get to the suggested pricing (linked to above, and also seems likely to me). Doesn't want to upset the component suppliers because they are his competitors too (I think). Niche assembler/manufacturer, normally better suited to low volumes, high margins. Doesn't want to deal with lots of relatively small end users, rather deal with fewer distributors who cause him less hassle (I could understand that). So I dont think he's being a 'thick Geordie' but there's probably more to it. Also, lead pricing is a bit more complex than just buying some when the price is low, and not buying any when its high. The major importers will have to be forward ordering up to six months in advance, and therefore carrying quite big stocks. So when the price falls they're likely to be sitting on a lot of stock and can't reduce prices. That's certainly the way it worked in the automotive industry. I personally don't think there's enough margin, even for the big boys, to flood the market with cheap shells.
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    You need a farm. Its amazing how many you need for pest control. And its surprising just how good 8 shot clay cartridges are for the job.
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    It's Garlands, so no change from when it was "fully operational" then.
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    Scores have just come out on this and I managed to get the second highest ladies score with a 58 from 70, beaten by a very good shot who got a 62. The daft handicap system they are applying this year puts me top after the first shoot by 1 point. Seems unfair to me.
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    Hi guys, to respond to this I started shooting clays when I was 14, stopped when I was 18 as I moved over to Police / Service / Practical pistol, I was a qualified RCO and Armourer back then. In 1997 that stopped and I took a break from shooting sports. In 2008 I started Target and Field archery and at my peak in 2014 I was seeded 29th in the UK. A combination of work and injury forced a retirement from archery however I still coach and have coached archers up to World Championship status (well, one archer). I started clay shooting again in 2011 as a way to decompress from Archery although I have only really seriously been back into it for the last 2 years after I quit archery. The guns I shoot are supplied by a local gun room with whom I am friendly, and the main point that everyone I spoke to before starting the channel raised was that I be honest. I am not shilling guns for anyone so if I think its a dog I will say so. My opinion is no more valid than anyone elses, I just enjoy being creative and wanted to make something I thought people would enjoy, and in the main it seems people are. I don't spend a lot of time on talking about the finer points of stock dimension or design because to most C class shooters that stuff means very little, so my reviews / impressions are subjective, and as such, your mileage may vary. I have been asked, and will be doing some other stuff in the series about getting into the sport, applying for your licence etc also so hopefully it will be a useful resource. Sorry for the delay in responding I do this in my spare time with my own money, I pay for all the ammo and clays in the reviews, all I get is access to the guns. As mentioned the next in the series is up, and I already have the next review (an Auto this time) in the can ready to publish in a fortnights time.
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    Like WillH also popped over to WestonWood, it's about 1hr from front door so local and strangely only my second ever visit, the last was Dec 2015. Usually an early starter though today other end of entry time and I rocked up at near the 2pm close, entry 193! For those that went shot it 1-2, 4-12 then back to 3 (only queue) I was on my Tod and at most stands didn't really see anyone shoot the stands which did make things a tad more difficult than I'd liked. A few gun fit changes in week to try and although one managed to drop targets on each of the first 8 stands I felt more upbeat than of usual, no inner demon tantrums either 😄 Did then implode dropping 20+ targets on my last 4 stands, only saving grace is the inner chimp behaved. Looked at scores and to be fair shots a lot better than I struggled so onwards. Richard Faulds 97 high gun, outstanding as was anyone banging in a 90+ there today
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    Lloyd put up an intro video on his you tube channel when he started these video's. He's an everyday shooter just expressing his opinions, and he's using the guns of Bywell shooting ground. Nice video Lloyd, keep them coming. Your opinion is as valid as all the other experts on shootclay.
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    I did alright 😀
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    Third of the Coleys 2017 series of shoots today, a MrFaulds bossed this event last shoot and one felt the ground rather expected him to rock up again today! Shoot is squadded our merry gang being Joe Hale, Willy Hale, Zea Purnell, Pete Houghton Stewie Keen and finally I, we shot the course stands 1 to 12 all making a decent start, there was some big (well I'm calling them big) targets, ground though does get wind affected and today it did / was / blighted, a rather well sprung left to right looper flew quicker than a North Korean ICBM and I and few others never got anywhere near it. Another distant crosser looked merely a blip on the horizon thrown right up left off the tower one did find twice, which was 😄, it was I'd say a tougher course than most expected to find, as for me, if I'd put all the steady targets on the card rather than just half of them I'd been dancing in the car park. Tough shoot, poor (cold, overcast, windy) for May weather, very pleasant squad and a 😄 on my chops Joe Hale 89, Willy 75, Zea 63, Pete 84, Stewie 81 and silly old brain fart 64, Sam Usher high gun 94, clear by 5 targets
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    Super finals are created to form a spectacle for a crowd and the media, can't see what the problem is. Is a spectacle and media coverage not what the UK needs to push the sport on? As far as I'm aware all competitors are aware there is a super final before they enter in any competition in the UK or abroard, if you don't like the format don't enter, simples.
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    I just don't like shoot offs unless scores are tied , if you win that's it a win , end of .
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    I find myself torn on this looking at it from differing perspectives.... 1). It was exactly the same for all competitors - they all had to wait till late to shoot. They all knew the format before they entered - do not like the format don't enter it really is that simple. That said if the aim of the "Super Final" is to attract spectators / add to the thrill of the event then make it the first shoot off event so the maximum number of people stay and see it or run shorter squad numbers on the final day to allow it to all finish earlier because a 9pm at night shoot is surely not showing the top 6 or 7 shooters at their best i bet. 2). Lights..... Having shot under those very same lights at the NSC in the world skeet the brightness is superb and for me there were no issues seeing the clays. It makes a great spectacle when they break for people watching. I can say with certainty that NO GROUND in the UK that i have shot comes close in terms of lights to the NSC facility. That said given how good the lights are and the fact we have nowhere we can practice with that level of lighting - you should maybe question IF with shooters of equal ability would one who shoots under lights more often have an advantage?? - maybe - but that is not the winners fault and they should be congratulated no matter what and from those there in the final i have heard / read nothing but congratulations. I would say that maybe we need to be looking as a country to improve our own practice facilities or floodlights to enable us to practice. Sure i can hear all the old stalwarts saying now "its never been done like this for years" - so what! - if you stand still you go backwards..... if they have upped the game / standard of the event or opposition then get better yourself in order to still compete because you can bet your last £ or $ that that is what others are doing and if you stay still again you will be further backwards the next time. Maybe there is a case for a major event here (be that of a sporting OR sportrap type event) hiring in floodlights of a similar style and holding a night shoot off for a title? - Mind you then someone would probably complain about the noise at a late time...... I know for one i would be measuring the lumens (or whatever the correct measure is of light) and finding out what type of lighting is being used and trying to replicate it if we are serious as a nation / team in improving under lights because a few security lights on telegraph poles are not gonna cut it for long.
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    Any shoot is subject to variables, especially when over more than a day. GD was joint high gun on score, however, the super seven squad ,which i think is not really needed, was delayed for hours and was shot under floodlights. GD ending 4th. Not saying sour grapes, but that seemed a bit unfair if you do not regularly shoot under floodlights, and i wonder how you see clays in ESP this way, ? must be more demanding than trap/skeet/trench ?
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    does sim driven count ?? if so did one on Sunday. Three drives of 200, team of four, I got through 200 cartridges but suffered no ill effects. Hit more than I / we missed and had jolly good fun.
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    I feel your pain, even though I'm a few inches taller than you. So many ground put the bar across the front of stands too high.
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    I was thinking that. An Ariel photo of the ground would look like a cake with hundreds and thousands.
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    I made the 3 hour (each way) trip to Barrowheath for the Premier League shoot. Ive never been to the ground before but it was a well run shoot. Fair bit of hanging around for the first 6 stands but then flew round from 7 onwards with no waits at all. Must have chosen the wrong order to walk round! Nice ground with some interesting targets. I've never shot at these new 70mm targets before but had a few chances today. They seem to go like a rocket! Connected with them which is the main thing. Struggled on the card filler stands which hurt the overall score. I've managed to overcome my fear of the bigger targets but I'm now letting myself down by not building the scores up on smaller stuff. One really nice touch was Phil had left example clays in front of the stand description on every stand. I'm not sure if that's normal but it was helpful. Lack lustre 71 for me to complete a month of low 70's. Next weekend I'm down in Cornwall so will try to get to High View for their registered on Sunday and then Longridge on the way home on Monday.
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    It's Friday, so it must be time for another review:
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    Just forget all this rubbish and contact Bryan at Malmo Guns , buy Cheddites from him at a brand and quality to suit your pocket and you will not be disappointed with the quality or service . Or just go out and buy Fiocchi from just about anywhere . Of course if you have lots of Pigeons that the likes of Phil Beesley sell days for from £40 - £100 George will bring you a thousand cartridges for £200 -£220 which in reality costs you upto £320 the same as his Game Cartridges , so everyone's a winner .
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    Problem is,as someone predicted ,we`re 4 pages in and no sign of an answer to your original straightforward question !
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    Shooting driven with an O/U ?!?! And an Italian gun at that !!! Disgraceful, blasphemous desecration of the proudest of English Tradition. For Shame, Ian. For Shame! Cool vest, tho. I suppose that's Italian too, eh?
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    Bought 4000 8s of George about a year ago for 170 per thousand . Having been using fiocchi blacks he said they would be comparable. Now coming to the end of them and can confidently say that there is not a lot of difference maybe slightly less recoil and not quite as tight . Very good kills even out to 50 + yards . Wouldn't hesitate to use again if the price was right. The only thing i will say they are not a pretty looking cartridge with no fancy big bits of brass. But do the job well.
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    well chaps here i am its best to ring me as i do like a look around the country and love pigeon shooting so if i can work it while delivering why not like just got back from turriff in aberdeen when into banchory and done a few deliverys up there put out 26000 and yes shot a few pigeons now my problem is how do i get my carts into your gun so you can go to your gunshop and get them from him if you like them then gunshop says i have plenty big brands and dont want any more now today have just had a lad from cambridge go with45000 in a merc van they left me at 200 per thousand and copper shot at 230 made with cheddite cases and cx2000 primers a s vectan powder b and p wad and shot from locatelli tower dropped shot now tell me if theres any componet better and i will try to buy it thats all for now i have 2 more victims at the door phone is best cheers george 07714 323 909
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    Very enjoyable shoot, and Willow Farm got it just right if you ask me.
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    The format surely was known by all participants, was it not? By not withdrawing you accept the rules and conditions.
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    Acting like a bully? Not for me to judge but if it is defending unfounded pointed accusations of bad sportsmanship i somehow doubt it. Telling me to F off online pretty pointless really...but whatever makes you feel good. Maybe if we have to have the shoot off here next time we can have it in driving rain and 40 mile an hour winds plenty of experience of that Whatever the situation i still think its ridiculous spending 2 days winning something to then go on and spend 5 minutes trying to win it again.